2018 Penny with apparent circle surrounding term Liberty

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  1. Jose Companioni

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Interesting.. but that is not any kind of Mint Error
    Someone created that circle and damaged the Cent
     
  4. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Pretty 'apparent' yes, but as mentioned,
    it didn't leave the Mint like that.
     
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  5. furryfrog02

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  6. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Somebody too consumed with liberty perhaps.
     
  7. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    I originally thought that it was created, but the circle seems to go under the “L” in the word and it is obstructed by Lincoln’s image. I have only magnified it under my phone camera and will seek a microscope to examine the impact on the “L” and the image. Just wanted some informed feedback and perhaps prior knowledge of other instances.
     
  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Just someone with too much time on their hands.
     
  9. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    Maybe, don’t know for sure. Accidental find so nothing than a penny, and my time investigating lost but it is an interesting problem to solve. If it was someone with nothing better to do it was done great. Kudos to them.
     
  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Not sure how long you have been searching, but these things end up being pretty commonplace once you've been around awhile. Good learning opportunity though.
     
  11. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    it's not even a true circle. Look at the part below Liberty ... it's flat. And just by the Y it arcs out instead of in. And between E and R looks like an out of focus dot which would be the (close to) center if a compass was used inaccurately/ incorrectly.
     
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  12. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Someone with a dremel or handpiece. About the only thing useful for most modern cents is to practice with a new bit. If you can make a design and not break through the thin copper into the zinc, you get an A. Conjecture of course.
     
  13. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    All your conjectures are possible. Regarding how long I have been searching, I received it in change today, as I go over all my change in search of the unusual coin that will end up in unobserved or wrongfully used as change, I found it. Intrigued by its appearance, I sought out more expertise than mine in the area for the search. So, I posted. Regarding the observations of the use of a compass, I don’t think that that happened, although I can’t dismiss any of several other mechanical possibilities. The dots referenced are picture artifacts and not on the coin. I’ll post another picture for further clarity. 63D970D6-E9EC-4E24-B903-A2FCBB8DB94E.jpeg
     
  14. Ikw

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  15. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    ?????
     
  16. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    PMD = Post Mint Damage
    ie, damage that has happened after it was minted.
     
  17. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    Thank you for your input. You seem to voice the consensus. If you are right then someone went through a lot to then place it into change. So it then would qualify into some Hobo category.
     
  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    If the use of modern technology to exactly copy classic coinage can result in something placed into the same category, why not some nothing such as this? There's no harm in rendering a once-meaningful term meaningless, is there?
     
  19. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    Sorry, don’t understand reference
     
  20. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    That's not important, but the greater point was that we needn't be in such a rush to cheapen so many terms by expanding them to include pretty much anything and everything. Think of how the term "hero" used to be reserved for truly heroic individuals yet today is applied to almost anyone for anything. Audie Murphy was a hero yet so is anyone simply claiming to have served in the military even though their actions certainly cannot be compared.

    Similarly, think of how "rare" once meant at least something when it came to coins. It was generally reserved (at least by the knowledgeable) for those truly scarce examples displaying one characteristic or another, but most often as a type/date/mint that was special due simply to scarcity.

    To try to bring this home and into the context of your assertion, if any type of anomaly can or should be considered the equivalent of a "hobo" coin, what to call the pieces created by genuinely talented artists? We can certainly agree to disagree, but it is my opinion that the connection is both invalid and cheapens the real deal.
     
  21. Jose Companioni

    Jose Companioni New Member

    I certainly don’t think that this is a forum to talk about “heroes” or “not heroes.” So, I’m not going to respond to that. Perhaps others disagree and will. However, I think that there is ample precedent to assert that many things are art that may or may not qualify with the individual sensibilities. If you find that it is not art, well that is your prerogative, but to claim the universality that it is not, is beyond your or my place. Unless, perhaps, you are the appointed representative of the world. If so, I then must accept your authority. I’m new to this forum and I’m not aware of a precise defenition of the term. So, if there is, I will learn it and be better for it. I don’t currently know whether this is a fabrication or not. If it is, then I personally see the effort and the possible different meanings or statements of the maker. So, I think it is art. My opinion, if it’s not a flaw from the Mint, is that it is art.
     
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