1888/7 indian head cent

Please just read the thread from page 1 and go to CU and read that thread. At that point, you will understand.

 

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I know NGC says it has to match exactly to know ones .
Like larry said in a earlier post, nothing matches that re-punch on top of the 8 .

 

That could be due to the lighting and focus. Sometimes you can see objects on a coin with lighting in a certain position only to have it disappear from sight with lighting in another position.

For sure it needs to be seen by an expert.

 

Yeah i see. I just want adam to truly enjoy his dream coin. Like @green18 says. ONCE IN A LIFETIME

 

obviously I agree

 

Well, considering that it is PMD and not repunching, it should be fairly easy to ascertain that this coin is the S-1

 

Very symmetrical for PMD follows the upper edge closely. Maybe I missed a post, where was it determined to be PMD ? Jim

 

Thank you, Sir .......

 

Let’s analyze the picture:

First thing I see is the lighting. The coin in lit from the top, so the reapeted lit surface with a dark surface in between means there is an indent in the numeral. Also, for the digit to me repunched, there needs to be a clear secondary image. Looking at the position of this indent with respect to the top of the inner loop of the last 8, we see that indents occur BELOW the top of the inner loop. Following the curve caused by the indents will lead to an 8 with the top cut off. A repunched digit would add additional material above the COMPLETE digit. Since this is not the case, it cannot be an RPD. Since it cannot be an RPD, it must me PMD.

Also looking under the left indent, you can see where the upper left loop of the 8 bulged due to the metal movement caused by the hit.

QED.

 

Wrong . Lighting is coming from the west . Not the north ( top ) .

 

Next . Take the top of that 8 away ( re-punch ) and now you have an open 8, with no top on it .

 

Wrong. It is actually coming from northwest. But that does not change ANYTHING about my lighting analysis. You are just trying to discredit me.

And how many 1888’s do you know up with the open top? None. And if it is a repunch, then why is the entire figure the exact same shape as the other 8’s? Also, for such a significant height change for the “repunching” to be noticeable, then why is the inner loop completely unbroken?

The simplest solution is often the correct one, and that would be PMD.

 

Or just a fake .

 

Why doesn't that PMD run through the upper part of that 8 .
It stops at both end of the inner top of the 8 .

Why ? Because it was made to fake the over-date .
How can I say that . Because that the top of the fake 7 .

 

In my first post in this thread, I mentioned that this was a distinct possibility. My argument was that this coin had all of the die markers for an S-1 and saying that it was some other variety was folly. I have never said that this coin is authentic, particularly because of the mark to the left of the 8. But I can assure you that the top of the 8 is PMD because there is clear metal movement which would not be there for an RPD.

 

Just a thought ..

 

This is what I see. There are two straight cuts on the top loop of the 8. The left cut is much deeper and has caused the top edge to spread out a bit. Below this cut is a lump of moved metal. The right cut is much lighter (not as much displaced metal) and does not go through the entire loop. It is possible that there were two different hits instead of just one.

From what I know about RPD’s, they do not display these characteristics.

 

Think about this logically. Why would the counterfeiter go through such lengths to get all of the diagnostics right (die chip, date positioning, lump under the 8, remnant of 7 within upper loop of 8, tip of 7 above the NW corner of the 8) just to mess it up by emphasizing the presence of the 7 on the top edge of the 8, or to make the 8 repunched?

 

The light was coming from above anyway me and fade have arranged a new agreement, he's seen videos of the coin.

 

So you caved to his legal threats?