Finally, clasped hands

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Pishpash, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Been looking for one of these. Received this morning from @Ken Dorney and using his pictures.

    balbinus obv.JPG balbinus rev.JPG

    Balbinus, 238 AD
    Silver Antoninianus, Rome Mint, 22mm, 4.49 grams
    Obverse: IMP CAES D CAEL BALBINVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Balbinus right.
    Reverse: FIDES MVTVA AVGG, Clasped hands.
    RIC11

    Edited to correct RIC No, thanks Z
     
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  3. Yorkshire

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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Wow, that's a gorgeous example, Pish, congrats! It's actually RIC 11, exactly like mine :).

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    BALBINUS
    AR Antoninianus. 5.1g, 24.1mm. Rome mint, AD 238. RIC IV 11. O: IMP CAES D CAEL BALBINVS AVG, bust of Balbinus, radiate, draped, cuirassed, right. R: FIDES MVTVA AVGG, clasped right hands.
     
  5. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Thanks Z, I will have to look up the differences.
     
  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Wowie, Pish! Fabulous coin, congrats.

    I tried for a clasped hands recently but lost. I wanted it in particular because of the anatomically impossible depiction of the handshake.
     
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  7. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I haven't taken it out of the flip yet, too nervous!
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Impossible how? Most handshake coins (including zumbly's) show less grasp and more sliding straight fingers and thumbs rather than the modern grip style.
    I do not have Balbinus or Pupienus.
    Herennius Etruscus
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    Vitellius
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    What evidence on handshakes do we have other than coins?
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    You're right-- not impossible, just bizarre. The reverse is upside down in the seller's photo. It looks like one hand is in a fist and the other has fingers stretched out, more like one person was punching the other's hand.

    https://agoraauctions.com/listing/viewdetail/40303#

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  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Great coin @Pishpash, reminds me very much of the two antoniniani I sold a few years back

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  11. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin! Yours is the first Albinus that I've seen.

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  12. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Balbinus!
     
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  13. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Perhaps one person went in for a first bump and the other went in expecting a handshake, and an awkward moment ensued...
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  14. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Equally excellent! Thanks, @Pishpash . Actually, the same applies—yours is the first Balbinus that I've seen. :wideyed:
     
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  15. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    :hilarious: Hilarious! That used to happen to me all the time so I gave up altogether and give folks a hug instead.
     
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  16. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus

    Wow! Balbinus...in excellent grade...clasping hands...!!! Congrats, @Pishpash!
    I only have, if I am not mistaken, a denarius of Nerva and one of Crispina (or Plautilla) with claping hands. Unfortunately, Balbinus and Pupienus are still far far away from getting my collection ...
     
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  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice coin @Pishpash ! Those fist-pumping guys Balbinus and Pupienus.
     
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  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice one @Pishpash. Actually excellent!

    Here is a Nerva with clasped hands: Nerva 5.jpg
     
  19. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    It's tough to think about some of the coins we've sold over the years. I have regrets over quite a few of them.

    Here's a Balbinus Sestertius I sold years ago:

    Balbinus Sestertius.jpg
     
  20. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Beautiful addition. And a stellar portrait! The clasped hands on Balbs and Pups always give me a chuckle as they were notoriously known to not get along.
    Anyway, here's my hunk of a short lived senatorial puppet emperor:
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  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Believe it or not. Trajan invented not only the fist bump but the problem that arises when two people meet and greet but have different ideas as to which greeting is appropriate. Justin Lee was right. We have that today on many occasions. The usual ancient hands seem to suggest that they used a 'no squeeze' handshake as seems to be used in some Asian cultures as opposed to the 'firm grip' preferred in some parts of the USA.

    A study of ancient hand gestures would seem to be a thesis topic. This would include hand blessings, salutes and curses. Is anyone aware of it having been done?

    The other thing this shows is a continuing problem people have telling which way is up on some coins. I have this trouble with some medieval coins. When I see it on a coin I do know, I assume it means the seller rushed the listing to press and saw no reason to proofread the material.
     
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