Lessons in problem coins: Whizzed.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by C-B-D, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It's been whizzed. If you replace the wire brush with a softer, yet still abrasive material, you still move metal, and you still get the false luster effect of whizzing, where the fine lines that were created pick up that liquid, fake luster look.
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Nah, that's not being mysterious enough for a god-like creature like Doug. Deities often speak in riddles and parables.
     
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  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    The arc shaped pattern displayed in the fields on the OPs coin are distinctive and characteristic of whizzing. The coin was affected by a high speed rotor - arguing the semantics of whether it was a bristle or softer head seems a bit silly. I think it is perfectly accurate to describe this coin as whizzed. And you know me, I am a stickler for using the right word for the right thing when it is important.
     
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  5. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    Exactly what I thought. Still waiting for Doug to come along and tell us why it's not whizzed.

    Where's the popcorn emoticon here?
     
  6. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Not an emoticon, but...

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    So to review the bidding, so far all we have is, "It's not whizzed because here's a bunch of pictures, COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO ANYTHING AT HAND, that other people have called 'whizzed' but weren't." Do I have that about right?
     
  7. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    ^^ I was tempted to like that, but then I just don't need to be traumatized seeing how many likes he's gotten. (lol)
     
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  8. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Glasswool was the favorite buffing medium in my experience. Wire displaces too much metal.
     
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  9. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Whizzed Lincoln cent:

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  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    There are various toughnesses of nylon bristle to consider as well. Wire is so last century.
     
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  11. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    This thread has gone in a different direction but knowingly selling “mechanically or chemically altered” coins with the intent to deceive is against the ANA’s bylaws and could theoretically lead to discipline or expulsion. I have no knowledge how often, if ever, this law is enforced.
     
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  12. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Good informative thread.
     
  13. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    +1.
    We may not all agree 100%, but discussions on doctored coins, deceptive problem coins, altered coins, etc. , are a good part of the value of CT.
    Of course, it's just fun to interact with other coin nuts also. :)
     
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  14. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

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  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Since we are picking a few nits here...let me comment that metals or alloys do not have molecular structure. They can have crystalline structure and exist mostly in a matrix sometimes called the "Sea of Electrons"

    Now after picking that nit, the OP coin (to my admittedly untrained eyes) just looks like it has been buffed to within an inch of its life.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In your opinion maybe, but not in mine. What I was trying to explain is that it's the entire point. A whizzed coin always has built up metal at the raised edges. If there is no built up metal at the raised edges then the coin has not been whizzed. It may have been polished, or buffed, but it was not whizzed.

    Using softer heads on the tool creates an entirely different look to the coin and it does not simulate luster. All using a softer head does is to make the coin shiny - not lustrous. Your argument is like saying that to say there is a difference between shiny and lustrous is silly.

    Is it semantics to say there is a difference between shiny and lustrous ? I'm reasonably certain you'd never claim that was true !

    As for the coin that started all this, I was merely pointing out that it was not whizzed. Polished or buffed maybe, but not whizzed.
     
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  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    The REASON I disagree with you is that I believe the fields of that coin have the telltale quasi-luster lines indicative of whizzing. The FIRST (not only) thing to look at is whether the luster "cartwheeling" acts as natural luster would or just a weird facsimile of it. Of course, NEITHER of us has it in the hand to do a PROPER examination of it and all we have are still photos, always a bad substitute. But I am convinced that someone has imparted quasi-flowlines onto those fields, and that makes it whizzing.

    Now, was there a SECOND step, to tone down the whizzing with some light field polishing? Maybe, and if that's your point, we actually agree. But whizzing IS in that coin's past.
     
  18. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on



    So which is it? Polished or buffed? And why?
     
  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    COming from a fellow that has put lots of car parts on a buffing wheel but never a coin..... The coin @C-B-D posted had exactly the appearance of an encounter with a buffing wheel to my eyes.
     
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  20. wcoins

    wcoins GEM-ber

    Plot twist: it's a proof. Those are die polish lines :D
     
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  21. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    What is a car part buffing wheel made of?
     
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