People who post a lot and then suddenly stop

All good reasons Jim and this is a tremendous site. The best in my mind but there is more to why we have lost so many important members.
Many of these same members are still posting on other forums. If you chat with them, you will learn the rest of the story.

 

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Very true, but in 2008 (I came shortly after you ), I was active on 2 other forums, and there were large numbers who had departed or been banned from CT already because of the rules, on CU especially, it seemed and Doug and others were roasted constantly. I came to the forum and read the rules and forum entries and felt that it was the best then also and I could deal with the rules, although I participated in some warm arguments as a member. I felt that the information and the emphasis on learning and numismatics made the rules more possible, especially when some owners would ban their members for making comments against their products. Having children in a community with such rules made it right for us. Jim

 

I left because of you, I know others told me the same thing and several others are considering it because of you. Make of that what you will

 

If they band the shift. Will you come back?

 

So on point!

 

I have been on forums where the moderators did absolutely nothing, and people left in droves. I have been on forums where the moderators were practically Nazis, and people left in droves. I think Coin Talk, for the most part, has a pretty good balance of moderation. There are some moderators that I disagree with on many things, and we sometimes get in to deep arguments, but it's a pretty good environment overall.

 

Every time I've been moderated I've deserved it and knew it was coming.

 

Quantitatively, I agree. Some of the things they allow, I never would, and vice versa.

 

Ain't touchin' this thread with a ten foot pole, but I will say (for the most part) I've been treated fairly, and infracted when warranted. I have stepped over the lines at times. Sometimes I was caught, and other times not. Truth is, at all times I knew the rules and knew that I was pushing the envelope. Never once did I feel that I was singled out or targeted......I knew the rules, and I was wrong. Kind of like when you're a little kid and someone tells you, 'don't push that button'.........

 

It's a thankless job. As far as i know. (less then nuttin) I'm pleased with the way cointalk is handled. I thank you

 

Your green18. You have a billion likes. Would be like throwing gueen out of the palace. Then tell her to get a room at the YWCA. That should never happen

 

I got a 7' 8" Russian I can lend you.

 

I left because of Camaro DMD. He was a 25 year old moderator, who had never worked full time in the real world, he was still in school, a professional student if you will. Wet behind the ears. He was more often wrong than right.


Yet, in his student's mind, he knew more about life than 50-60 year old professionals, who had raised families, been in the service, and worked for 30 years.

His arrogance (which he absolutely had no reason to have) drove me, and many others away.

 

When was he a 'mod'? He ain't one now.........

 

You were here.

Its been about 5 years ago.

 

Afraid you'll lose faith?

 

If you are a moderator on this site, I really think you should spend more time reading this thread and less time posting in this thread. A guy wants to know what happened to some prolific posters and one of the main reasons divulged is because of the moderation on the forum. Rather than explain how hard it is, or how it is simply a perception problem, accept the fact that your membership is telling you there is a problem, do a little self reflection, and then do better.

I would also like to point out that while Doug has frustrated me to no end over the years and we have engaged in some epic debates on this forum, he is far and away the best online moderator I have ever encountered. His patience and willingness to allow members to speak their mind as long as they don't violate any rules is incredible and appreciated. Thank you Doug!

 

Dear me, I've seen you guys go at it on many occasions, and not a head lost........things always remained 'civil'. You on many occasions agreed to disagree, with nary a hair of discord. Respect of the utmost portrayed by both parties.........

 

@Lehigh96, it's obvious to us what the problem is. There is an "appeal process" to Doug, on paper, or rather in electrons. But in practice it doesn't seem to function, at least not to us. I work around the law, so I'll put this in courtroom terms. The "issue" is what is called "standard of review". When a higher court reviews the actions of a lower court, you need to know the "standard of review".

The lowest one is de novo, in which the reviewing authority acts as if the first case were never heard below. They review from stone cold scratch. Now this would make Doug's life unbearable, and it's silly to expect Doug to review everything de novo.

There is, in the law, a higher standard of review known as "clear error". If the court below has made a clear error of law, the higher court overrules. This would still be a heckuva workload on Doug.

One of the highest standards of review, and the one I believe is in actual practice here, is called abuse of discretion. It's not enough that Doug thinks another mod might have made an erroneous call. Unless it was clearly out of line, an abuse of discretion, Doug will defer to his other moderator. This system has two main attributes. 1) VERY VERY few overturns will ever happen, or perhaps even really heard. 2) Errors go unfixed, sometimes pretty big ones.

That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. I look at facts and make determinations of what likely causes them. It's kind of what I do for a living. That role doesn't respond well to "you don't know what you don't see" reasons. That's what the mob uses as excuses.

Every one of our four U.S. major league sports used to have the standard of not interfering with the judgment of their officials/umpires. Do not second guess them. Well, they've all moved to a "get it right, no matter what it takes" standard, even to the point of World Cup Soccer taking VAR into use. The officials get calls wrong all the time, and people these days just don't have the stomach for it anymore.

 

Wow Kurt, I didn't know you were a lawyer. Who's Doug?