Commodus Denarius reverse die match to British Museum specimen

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This is kind of cool. In the course of photographing this one and cataloging it for my collection, I notice it's a reverse die match to the specimen in the British Museum collection. It has a pleasing portrait of the unhinged emperor; the reverse is unremarkable. Mattingly doesn't comment on this type whatsoever in the introductory material to Commodus dealing with issues of AD 191 (BMCRE 4, pp. clvii-clxx).

    Commodus CONC COM Concordia denarius.jpg
    Commodus, AD 177-192.
    Roman AR denarius, 2.29 g, 17.2 mm, 7h.
    Rome, AD 191.
    Obv: M COMM ANT P FEL AVG BRIT P P, laureate head, right.
    Rev: CONC COM P M TR P XVI COS VI, Concordia standing left, holding patera and scepter.
    Refs: RIC 219; BMCRE 296-97; RCV 5631; MIR 808; Cohen 45.

    Here's BMCRE 296:

    Commodus CONC COM denarius BMC.jpg

    Comparing the reverses side-by side, we have:

    Commodus CONC COM Concordia reverse die BMC.jpg
    Which superimpose exactly upon one-another. I don't know why I get so excited when I find die-matches to my coins, but I do.

    Post your Commodus denarii, comments, or whatever you feel is relevant!
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2018
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  3. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Thats really cool! Neat find.
     
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  4. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Great pick up RC.
     
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Neato. I have one, but from different dies.

    Commodus - Denarius Conc Com 607.jpg
     
  6. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    It's always a special thrill to find a die match to a plate coin! Coins of a rare type are often die matched with each because of the scarcity of dies used for striking them. What is more remarkable is finding a die match of a common type. I am not familiar with Commodus' coinage, is that a common type?
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Quite common. That's why it's so surprising!
     
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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Surprising indeed! What a wonderful find.
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Found one of his mama that's an obverse die-match to the British Museum specimen!

    Faustina Jr CONCORDIA standing denarius 1085.jpg
    Faustina Jr, AD 147-175.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.03 g, 17.3 mm, 7 h.
    Rome, AD 152-154.
    Obv: FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: CONCORDIA standing facing, head right, gathering up skirt and holding cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 500b,3; BMCRE 1085; Cohen 42, CRE 164.

    And alongside the British Museum specimen:

    Faustina Jr CONCORDIA standing denarius die match to BMC.jpg
     
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  10. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    You must have a lot of patience and an eagle's eye Roman Collector, congrats.

    Never managed to find a matching die, on the other hand I dont look for 'm :)

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  11. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Good eye!
     
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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I haven't checked the BM's online database for die matches but it sounds like a fun thing to do.

    I get excited when the coin I own is better than the example held by the British Museum :D. It's not really a great feat though. Like many museums most of their coins are not of remarkable preservation or style.
     
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  13. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

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  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I know what you mean. I always get excited when I have a better example. Luckily I have a few that meet that criterion.
     
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  15. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Part of this is because the museum did not know they were in a high grade contest. Many of their coins were donated from the old days when a collection was rated by how many different coins it contained rather than how many coins were mint state. When they were selecting coins for their plates, I imagine that they picked the best one they had but it is not even given that they used the same standards there that we might. I would rather have a plate coin in fine that showed a full legend with clear letters than an EF portrait with some letters clipped. Many of their coins were donated. There are a few coins in the BM collection that are probably fake. If the coin was in the collection of King George III, who is to say it should be removed? BMCRE plate 13, 7 is even listed as probably false but somehow made the book anyway.

    Yes, I enjoy having coins better than the BM but I enjoy more having coins they lack altogether. Of course they have probably doubled their holdings in the years since the books came out so don't bet they don't have one like yours.
     
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