Is it safe to preserve a coin?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Noah Finney, Jul 23, 2018.

  1. Noah Finney

    Noah Finney Well-Known Member

    i just told my local coin dealer I would buy some coin preservatives from him. I don't know if that is like cleaning a coin or not. just need some advice. Thanks Noah
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I do not believe there is a widely agreed upon definition on what constitutes the line between cleaning and conserving or preserving. It amounts to expertise, and little else.
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Noah it's pretty simple, if it involves putting a substance on the coin to protect them - don't do it.

    You protect your coins with proper storage methods - nothing else.
     
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  6. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    The EAC guys will tell you differently. They use Blue Ribbon, or other such products to protect the surface of their early coppers, and actually use a fine-haired brush to do it.
     
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  7. Noah Finney

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  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    No, it will only kill you a long time ago. :wacky::troll:
     
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  9. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Just what are in these coin preservatives you intend to buy? If you don't know, then perhaps you should rethink your intentions.
     
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  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Just be sure that when you confuse your chemicals with your ginger ale, that your ginger ale is either Schwepps or Canada Dry. Anything else, you'll be dead regardless of which glass you drink from.
     
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  11. Noah Finney

    Noah Finney Well-Known Member

    im not sure but I do trust the guy completely.
     
  12. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Are you doing old coppers? If so, or even foreign zinc surface coins, I recommend what the video says. Otherwise, leave them alone like @GDJMSP said.
     
  13. Noah Finney

    Noah Finney Well-Known Member

    I am doing a roll of 1950 d nickels and a roll of 1964 half's.
     
  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    In that case, nada.
     
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  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I think if you are not an expert in coin conservation, you're only going to ruin a roll of 1950-D nickels, not "preserve" them.
    And these coins probably don't require conservation or preservation.

    Original state coins (like the 1950-D) will always have value. When you mess with that, you risk destroying them.
     
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  16. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Saltus wasn't preserving coins, he was dipping them to make them bright white for sale at the convention he was attending. However the most common dip then was a sodium or potassium cyanide solution, commonly used for 4 legged pests, which unfortunately resembled ginger ale. Sodium cyanide is still used by gold prospectors and Wildeyed mountain men to extract gold and silver from diggin's.
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    A lot of folks will tell ya lot of things, especially copper collectors. Why ? Because copper is the most reactive of our coinage metals, and it corrodes rather easily - when proper storage methods are not used ! But when they are used, the coins are as safe as a babe in it's mother's arms ;)

    That said, you also have to wonder if perhaps today's EAC copper collectors are not doing something very similar to what the generation the generation of copper collectors before them did. Those guys, well it was commonplace to coat your copper coins with lacquer and shellac back then. And when it was happening, it was all the rage. Of course we now know how many of them went through the laborious process of removing all that from the coins and that pretty much nobody does it anymore because now they know better !

    And then ya have things like the fact that if Blue Ribbon, or similar products, are put on coins and then those coins are sent to NGC or PCGS and their sniffer is used on them - then the coins will be put in problem coin slabs, and designated as being ungradeable.

    And then have those troubling little things like Blue Ribbon being one of the coin doctor's favorite tools, the tool he uses to get his copper coins over-graded because the oil in Blue Ribbon, when properly applied, adds that highly desirable "lustrous" look that oh so many copper collectors deeply love ! And of course the TPG graders don't catch it because most of the coins submitted are not sent through the sniffer so that the chemicals and oils can be detected by the machines, and the graders, well they're fooled by the coin doctors again just as they have been so many times over the years.

    So yeah, go ahead and chock another one up for the coin docs, they're good at what they do. And while you're at it chock another one down for the collectors for they will be fooled into paying grossly inflated prices for grossly over-graded coins - just as they have been for years now with the artificially toned coins produced by those very same coin docs ! My, my, my - aren't chemicals wonderful :D

    Now bear in mind, I'm not saying that Blue Ribbon won't help protect the coins - it will. Just like the lacquer and shellac did in decades gone by. But you should also realize that dipping your copper coins in the 30 weight that you use in your cars and trucks - it'll do the very same thing and protect just as well. For a time anyway. Ya see, over time oil breaks down, it gets all gunky and globby looking, and then ya gotta clean it off, carefully I might add, and start all over again with a fresh coat. So anybody that wants to use Blue Ribbon - have at it !

    Oh, one last thing. You do know don't you that they quit making Blue Ribbon years ago. Ever wonder why that might be ?

    Like I started out with, lots of folks will tell ya lots of things. But me, I'm kinda like Paul Harvey, I tell ya "the rest of the story". :)


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    PS - will one of you older gents kindly tell the whippersnappers who Paul Harvey is/was !
     
  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Remember “Better Living Through Chemistry”?
     
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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sure do, I remember it well since I started using it to make gunpowder by the time I was 6 and nitro by the time I was 8 ;)
     
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  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I mean the DuPont slogan, not the REALLY bad movie.
     
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  21. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Hardly a surprise...
     
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