1941 lincoln wheat on a foreign planchet

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  1. Yes foreign planchet

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  2. No not foreign planchet

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  1. Stevet

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  3. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    normal circulation wear with various Environmental Damage / Post Mint Damage instead ?

    if it is a foreign planchet .. What is the weight of each cent?
    a foreign planchet would have to be the same size .... so, which one do you think it is based on the weight ?
     
  4. Stevet

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  5. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    That looks suspiciously like a cent that was polished with a pencil eraser..... And to all the true numismatists here I want to extend my humble apologies for polishing so many of these with an eraser as a lad.
     
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  6. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    you're not supposed to do that with erasers ??

    oops ...
     
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  7. Stevet

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  8. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It's not struck on a foreign planchet, just environmental damage as others have said.

    If you really feel motivated, here is link for foreign coins struck by the US mint
    https://minterrornews.com/news-5-13-03-foreigners_in_the_mint.html

    Scroll down to the bottom and hit the Click Here link. Then look for a planchet that meets the weight of your coin.

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  9. Stevet

    Stevet New Member

    20180704_163432.jpg There's a 3.1 gram bronze 1940 centisimo that was minted in Philadelphia the prior year after 1941 Philadelphia had minted on some of those planchets with our dyes for our lincoln wheat cent a very rare error an the one I hold is a no mint mark which we know is philadelphia an weighs 3.1 also an yes they are both same size as well 20180704_163432.jpg
     

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  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    and 1941 cents (and all the copper/bronze ones really) do weigh 3.11 when freshly minted +/- and error amount.

    And yes Philadelphia did mint wheat cents, from 1909 through 1942.
    586,810,000x 1940s, and
    887,018,000x 1941 wheat cents.

    After that I'm no help with what you are trying to relie in information/identification.

    I think you have a regular wheat cent. But I'm no expert on foreign planchet strikes.

    @CoinCorgi
     
  11. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Harshly cleaned. Since it is the exact size and weight as a regular penny, almost all foreign planchets are going to be a different size and weight of a US cent, the mint does that on purpose so other countries coins can't be used as ours. Most Panama and Bahamas coins are the same as ours, as our money is 1:1 with theirs and their coins and our coins are interchangeable in vending machines, parking meters, tolls, etc.
    Incredibly rare to find something on a foreign planchet.
    Is there a new You Tube video making the rounds?
    As all of the 1982-D small date copper threads have now switched to, "Is my coin on a foreign planchet?"
    If the coin was a different size and weight, without full cent rims, (a larger blank would not fit so a foreign planchet would have to be smaller, thus creating incomplete cent rims) then you have to find out what country's coins we were minting at that time, and the size and composition of it.
    The short answer is, no. It's not on a foreign planchet.
     
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  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I was going to ask if the info was from youtube, pinterest, etsy main page or something like that ... all click bait
     
  13. Stevet

    Stevet New Member

    Not bronze brass sorry about that
     
  14. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    So ... how are you determining that it is brass?
    If brass (copper and zinc) and bronze (copper, tin and zinc) weight the same?

    And please don't go by color. It is 77 years old and obviously surface damaged.

    You'll get no affirmation from me. I don't know about foreign planchets.

    here's the only reference I can find about it https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/194...-a-panama-1c-planchet-ms65-pcgs/a/1191-4941.s

    @paddyman98
     
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  15. Stevet

    Stevet New Member

    Not bronze a brass planchet sorry about that an no not from any of them site I'm a member of PCGS an that's where it came from this pic u can tell which one is the brass planchet right
     

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  16. Stevet

    Stevet New Member

    They can also weigh in between 2.8 an 3.2
     
  17. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

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  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Only the REALLY abrasive ones, like those on PENS in the 1960's. Oh, and me too, I'm abrasive, too.
     
  19. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    NO, NO, NO! Here is the link to the error coin sold by Heritage

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/194...1-4941.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

    Please note the highlighted text

    upload_2018-7-17_10-25-32.png

    If you would have looked at the link in post #7, you would see that the 1 1/4 centesimo (not 1 centisimo) was struck on standard US 1 cent planchets. The 2 1/2 Centisimo weighs 3.33 gms, and was struck on copper nickel which is the same composition as the US Nickel.

    You have a cleaned or environmentally damaged 1941 Cent. Nothing more.

    One more thing. Please do not take any of these posts to be a personal attack. You were claiming to have something that couldn't be possible. Hang around on CT and you'll learn a lot about numismatics
     
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  20. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Are you talking about a US cent that was struck over this coin?
    Because if both of the blanks are the same there would be no way to tell the difference.

    Just read Old Hoopsters highlighted text/ post, and it explains a lot.
     
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