Who would be the best person or where should I send this quarter to see if it's doubled or not? I'm pretty sure it is but can't find any information on it so perhaps it's not been discovered yet? Anyways here's a few pics of it. It's the bird mostly it's huge and has doubled wings. Also some treeline in the background near the bird. I'm sure there's more on it but I am short on time right now. The pics are crap and I'm sorry about that. Rachel
And personally I don't know how you can tell at all based only on pictures. I have posted many coins that are true doubled die in which everyone on here has said that they weren't when I posted them. They all have every marker that is listed on Coppercoins yet I get told here that they aren't... I came here for assistance to learn more on the error coins but I have been misled by most people here. Then when I show proof that it was a doubled die I get told "Well based on the pictures you provided we cant be positive that it is or isn't true Doubled die", this is AFTER I'm told with what sounds like complete positivity that it IS NOT... I don't feel like I've learned much of anything from most of the people on here. So many are basically false prophets that talk like they teach this crap and they really don't know any more then the people that they are trying to teach. JMHO Again, this isn't the feeling I get from everyone but from many. It seems like a wonderful place to come and post if you like to feel attacked or trolled upon. I'm not saying that I want anyone here to tell me that they think it would be a DD when they truly don't think it is BUT, my QUESTION on this post was asking who the heck to send it to, not if you think its doubled die. There has to be a more welcoming and freindlier group to go and lean on for information without being made to feel like a complete idiot for whatever they post. Thanks, Rachel
Rachel. If you don't want the truth, there are other sites. If you ever post something that is actually a doubled die, folks here will say so. If you don't trust the folks on this site, send your coins to ANACS. They are really good with this type of stuff. Wish you the best.
Rachel None of us get paid for our service we can only provide opinions on photo's that are provided by the OP. Now with that being said normally your pics are good and clear but you have to remember a coin in hand is always better. As far as Doubled Dies I went back and looked at alot of your post and approximately 70% of your post you are convinced that they are Doubled Dies. We look at your pics and we give our opinion that's all we can do we get no benefit taking our time looking at your pics. Since I joined cointalk I've only seen three true doubled dies from actually new members all the rest of the coins have been exactly what was stated by the members. If you feel like you're being mistreated by most members then you have a choice there are other coin communities that you can join. But I can guarantee you this if you continue to post coins like the ones that you post here you're going to get the same results. If you feel that you have a true Doubled Die then send it in it's only money, you said that we have been wrong can you show us one certified true doubled die that we gave you our opinion on.JMO Best Wishes Dave
You can always send it out to ANACS for verification for about $30 and prove everyone wrong. ==> http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/SubmissionForm.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 Numismatics has been a slow study for me. I've been writing myself a document on the entire "life cycle of a coin" from design to trash. Putting the "terms" in certain phases of the life cycle. For instance, "doubled dies" have to be designed into the die - yes "designed" into the die itself (like the old hand stamped RPM). Whereas MD, die deterioration, etc etc all are "something went wrong" part of the minting process and the "age" of the die from brand new, to getting old and losing it's details and shifting around, etc. The document is only for my knowledge but if you want a link you may learn something from it. it's no where near complete and barely started in a sense, nor have I bounced it off of anyone for accuracy but learning a lot from it.
forgot I don't see "Doubled Die" on the eagle either. I see a shift of metal flow from maybe the die upper edges losing it's detail or the planchet shifting during strike, etc. This would allow the metal to flow out a bit of the design to create a perception of doubling, or Mechanical Doubling. This is an excellent article on DD v MD ..though you have to take your time reading it (read each paragraph multiple times until you think you understand). Go in without any preconceived notions of what is what. ==> https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5688/Double-Dies-vs-Machine-Doubling/ but here's a couple important quotes you have to take into account "The distinction between genuine die doubling and mechanical doubling can be subtle, but they can easily be differentiated with just a loupe and a bit of knowledge." 1st paragraph "A true doubled die is a variety in that it is created during the die making process. As a result, the doubling will appear on every coin struck from that die." 3rd paragraph "On the other hand, there is mechanical doubling. This type of doubling, which is also known as strike, ejection, shelf or shift doubling, is not the result of the design on the die being doubled. Rather, this type of doubling occurs when the die strikes a planchet. If the die is not properly seated, it can move slightly or bounce during the moment of striking, creating a flat, shelf-like doubling. This effect will be different on all coins struck, so it is technically not a variety, but rather more of a striking error." 5th paragraph
A few pieces of advice: Nobody here is trying to give you bad advice on purpose here. People are taking time to give their best assessment from their expertise based on the photos provided. Also realize that this expertise is being provided for free. Second, those opinions are only going to be as good as what can be seen in your photos. You're trying to photograph very fine detail on a coin; to do that properly requires what you might consider to be absurd amounts of light to photograph properly. The tinier the detail you want to capture, the more light you need. You haven't got nearly enough light in your shots. The focus is just not sharp enough to be able to discern things like doubling on tiny devices properly enough to diagnose them. You seem to be aware that your photos aren't good. That's a start. Realize though you're repeatedly providing bad photos and then complaining about the free analysis you get from those bad photos. If you want to continue looking for these types of varieties that's great, I encourage you to do so, but for getting the best opinions here you really need to invest in a good camera and macro lens. For getting the focus right and keeping the camera still (at that level of magnification any shake will cause blur) it would help to pick up a copy stand that has positional arms for lighting. I highly suggest picking up this book - it will tell you just about everything you need to know about how to properly photograph coins: https://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Photography-2nd-Mark-Goodman/dp/193399004X/
