How/where in minting process does the Grease Filled Dies impact the coins

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  1. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Grease filled dies is a common error.

    I've always wondered how the grease gets there?
    How much grease (is it automated)?
    What type of grease?
    And Why (metal flow, slight cooling) ?
    or are there two mint guys having a grease gun fight around the machinery?

    So are there grease sprayers that spray every 1,000 hits? Or is it done manually at some point.

    Essentially how, when and why does the grease get put in there.

    Thanks
     
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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Any " Die Setters " out there ?
     
  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Been...ahem...discussed before, let's see if anything new.
     
  5. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I twied a searcht butt fund nuttin'
     
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  6. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    The act of striking coins uses metal moving against metal, and I don't mean the planchet itself. This requires some kind of lubricant. There are ALSO tiny bits of worn metal flying around. Gradually, these tiny bits of metal and lubricants form a "slurry" or "grime" or the technical term, "yucky junk". Since raised letters of coins come from recesses in the dies, these are GREAT places for bits of "yucky junk" to coalesce. It's no more complicated than that. Once in there, they tend to hang around for a bit before falling out.

    There is no "grease monkey" with a grease gun running wild in the mint.
     
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  7. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Yeah, but it's the "some kind of lubricant" aspect of it I'm questioning. When, how often and how ??

    There's no Mint Monkey squirting the grease in? Then how ?
     
  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Likely just a light machine oil.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The presses are hydraulic, and pretty much all hydraulic machinery has grease fittings for the pistons and those have to be greased on a regular basis. How often exactly, as fast as they go I don't know, but I would think at least a couple of times a day. As to how, I've never seen any hydraulic machinery where it was not done manually with a grease gun. That doesn't mean there isn't any, but I've never seen or even heard of any that wasn't.

    But done manually or automatically doesn't really matter, the pistons have to be greased. And yes all hydraulic pistons have seals on them, but no seal is perfect and a small amount of grease is always on the part of the piston that becomes exposed. And when it does that a tiny amount sticks to the outside of that seal as the piston moves back into its cylinder. After a time it builds up and with all the vibration from the pistons hammering away at up to 700 times a minute, some of that built up grease can get flung in almost any direction. And if it happens to fall on the dies well then that's how struck through grease coins come to be.
     
  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    You need to understand just how rapid fire these modern presses are. This is not like making a one-off medal at the old Carson City mint. These babies are firing so fast you can barely see anything happening other than blanks pouring in and coins pouring out. The heat generation alone must be quite a problem.
     
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  11. Kentucky

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  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Maybe this one came out of that batch .
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  13. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Now THATS a fun trio of words to say and ponder the deeper meaning;)
     
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  14. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    A grease filled die is similar to dried pieces of cookie dough that fill up part of a cookie cutter, and thus the recessed image clogs up and can not stamp what is on the cutter.

    Grease attracts everything, including dust particles, and other small pieces of dried up grease (and whatever has stuck to it), and falls off from the force and repitition of striking. This can fill in die impressions and prevent raised details and lettering from appearing.
     
  15. Kentucky

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    And once it falls off, if it stays on the die, we get a "dropped letter" error.
     
  16. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    12 per second (up to 750 per minute) according to this article ==> http://www.coinnews.net/2013/09/20/how-the-philadelphia-mint-makes-coins-for-circulation/

    But it never said anything about grease. So I was stumped as I was thinking maybe there was a lubricant bath to the planchets at some point but it seems it's from the machinery and invisible grease monkeys.
     
  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    After the coins made in that video were finished, they didn’t have enough of them, so they made (wait for it) Samoa.
     
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  18. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Can I have Samoa ??
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    So the girlscout cookies and their thin mints are (wait for it) Minted at the Mint ?
     
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  19. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Boooo hisses!
     
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  20. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Great video! I think it explains a lot.
     
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