1851 Large Cent Attribution Help

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I am using a digital copy of the 1st-edition Newcomb book, so I am probably missing several varieties, but that is the best I have for sub-$50 (‘twas FREE!).

    Anyhoo, with that in mind, the closest I am getting is N-3b, or the 1851/81 with the 81 polished away (RARE die state). But that does not seem like an exact match (I could be wrong). I also has N4, 20, 26, 28, and 31 as possibilities, but I have systematically ruled them out based on various reasons (namely the distance between the 1’s and the denticles).

    Any insight you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated. @Conder101 @Moekeever @Marshall @Eduard

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  3. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    N26 is my guess.
     
  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It is pretty close, but I think the first 1 is too close to the denticle.

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  5. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    N31 also makes it confusing because it calls for the last 1 over the right of the denticle. N26 calls for the last 1 to be over the center of denticles. Plural denticles? Very small differences for sure.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Obverse 3 can be confirmed with the die break from the middle of the upper part of the 8 left though the 1 and left to the first denticle tip left of the 1.

    While I can't positively identify the reverse as Reverse C, I see nothing to rule it out either.

    This leaves it as N-3, in a later die state/stage.

    Of course, this is just my opinion. I'm using Noyes and I am unfamiliar with the late Dates.

    Interesting to note, searching for a State C example has proved fruitless.

    The "crack" I mentioned may be a flow line since it appears to be stronger on a couple of State B examples where remnants of the 8 1 remain and is not present on later State B examples with those remnants missing. I'm comparing it to the date close-up in Noyes which is described as State A/B and also shows the remnants of 8 1.

    This would not make sense if it were a crack, but would if it were flow lines or polishing marks.
     
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  7. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I picked these up yesterday. I will just post them and see if anyone can confirm my attributions independently.

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  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

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  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    1798

    That's what I came up with. Reverse Die State C, but the Obverse diagnostic differentiating States A, B and C cannot be seen due to excessive wear.

    I believe the 1800 is also an R4 variety.
     
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