pcgs ms/sp 70

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  1. Steven Hufschmidt

    Steven Hufschmidt Active Member

    got a ASE that's graded ms70 but pcgs website says sp70. is this a mistake?
    emailed pcgs but no answer back.
     
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  3. Kentucky

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    From coinsauctionhelp.com

    sp is a satin finish coin its a granular and non-glossy type of finish that is applied to a coin die before production starts or directly to the coin after it has been struck.

    MS is a mint state coin ms coins are in pristine condition that have been left in the mint or put aside by a collector. A mint state coin will show no signs of circulation whatsoever, but it can have normal mint processing defects such as bag marks and other dings.
     
  4. Steven Hufschmidt

    Steven Hufschmidt Active Member

    well its a sp coin but for whatever reason they labeled it ms.
     
  5. APX78

    APX78 Well-Known Member

    Would you have a photo of the coin and holder.:)
     
  6. Steven Hufschmidt

    Steven Hufschmidt Active Member

    at work but ill see what I can do.
     
  7. Steven Hufschmidt

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  8. Kentucky

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    Looks like a satin finish to me
     
  9. Steven Hufschmidt

    Steven Hufschmidt Active Member

    I think pcgs just labeled it wrong. no big deal I guess
     
  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    That is one of the burnished finish Eagles from the US Mint. All three major bullion coins: Silver, Gold, and Platinum are available.

    At one point PCGS just labeled them all MS, but later on they switched to SP on the label. You have a holder that is from before the switch.

    Here is a quick article from Coin World (they mention NGC, which used to do the same thing as PCGS on their label):
    https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...uncirculated-finish-in-silver-eagles.all.html
     
  11. Steven Hufschmidt

    Steven Hufschmidt Active Member

  12. APX78

    APX78 Well-Known Member

    Yes, it does look like a satin finish. Thanks for the photo.
     
  13. Steven Hufschmidt

    Steven Hufschmidt Active Member

    np, ddddd squared me away with that article. learn something new every day.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And they wonder why people are confused :rolleyes:

    It's just another example of the TPGs doing things to help increase their bottom line. What they should have done to distinguish the coins, one from the other, was start a new designation that actually made sense, one like SF (satin finish). But then that wouldn't make the coins "special enough" to give folks even more incentive to send them in. So they used a numismatic term that actually had real meaning, SP (specimen). A term that IF it were true, really would make the coins special !

    But the coins aren't specimens at all, not in any way shape or form !
     
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