Hadrian and the Nile

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  1. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    This aureus is somewhat of a departure for me.

    Finding high quality aurei of Hadrian’s travel series is difficult and competitive. In particular, the Nilus aureus has been elusive. A decent example surfaced in NAC’s recent auction, and while I’ll continue to pursue this type in better quality, I liked this example for its complete reverse: the recognizable hippo and crocodile, the cornucopiae, plus all these features are fully on the flan and identifiable.

    It's a variation without the NILUS legend on the reverse. In hand, the coin’s luster is much brighter.

    H4 - Hadrian AV aureus Nilus.jpg

    HADRIAN 117 - 138 A.D.
    AV Aureus (7.14 g.) Rome ca. 134 - 138 A.D. RIC 33 var.
    HADRIANVS AVG COS III P P Bare-headed, draped and cuirassed bust r. Rev. Nilus reclining l., holding cornucopiae and reed, leaning on rock; behind, hippopotamus among reeds and below, crocodile l.

    Let's see some exotic (for the time) African animals!
     
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  3. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    A simply fantastic coin. I can but look on in awe.
     
  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Gorgeous! I love everything about the reverse, down to the detail of the reeds in the background behind the hippo.
    This, however, is causing my brain so much difficulty... :jawdrop:

    I love my silver example of the type and will be trying my best not to compare its "artistry" with that of your aureus.

    Hadrian - Nilus 193.jpg
     
  5. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Love your recent capture Ides!

    Exotic African animals?

    Here's the best I can do:
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    Antoninus Pius, AD 138-161
    AE, As, 27mm, 9.3g; 2h; Rome, AD 148-149
    Obv.: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XII; Laureate head right, aegis on left shoulder
    Rev.: MVNIFICENTIA AVG; elephant walking right with trunk raised
    In Ex.: COS IIII SC
     
  6. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    awsome Aureus , congrats

    Ibis:

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  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @IdesOfMarch01

    That is a wonderful coin. That reverse is captivating. As for the condition, this is exactly the kind of Aureus I would pursue. I like the mild wear on the coin. It makes me think of who could have handled it and what they bought with it. You can almost see a toga wearer flipping this coin in his/her hand as they walk down some main thoroughfare of Rome.

    Congrats on this great acquisition.
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Such a fabulous reverse scene!

    This Gordian III bronze from Hadrianopolis features an ostrich on the reverse. The presence of ostriches brought from afar is attested in contemporary histories but I have not found anything saying from where they came. Most ostriches are from sub-Saharan Africa but there were pockets of them in the Arabian peninsula. Those peninsular ostriches would have been closer to the provinces-- perhaps easier to acquire? I postulate that the ostrich shown on this coin is from the now extinct Arabian ostrich, Struthio camelus syriacus.

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    THRACE, Hadrianopolis. Gordian III
    AE 18 mm, 2.59 gm
    Obv: AVT K M ANT ΓORΔIANOC AVΓ; laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: AΔPIANOΠOΛEITΩN; ostrich running right
    Ref: Varbanov 3833, rare
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-now-extinct-animal-on-a-roman-coin.287175/

    Looking over that writeup again, it is very possible that my theory is wrong. Perhaps it would have been easier to bring African ostriches to Rome and provinces via boat (Nile and Mediterranean Sea), although I guess it depends on the location of the province.
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Here's a hippo, looking dejected and rather Eeyore-like :D

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Tiberius
    Year 5, CE 18/9
    AE obol, 20 mm, 4.45 gm
    Obv: bare head right
    Rev: hippopotamus right; TIBEPIoY above; [L] E in exergue
    Ref: Emmett 62.5, R1; Geissen 47; Dattari-Savio 102 (this coin); RPC 5082
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)
     
  10. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    A beauty, the portrait is amazing. Reverse is pretty cool too.
     
  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    The lion on the reverse of this Gordie from Viminacium:

    gordian2.jpg
     
  13. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    A fabulous coin: the way that the artist took advantage of the round canvas by curving the reverse scene is really stunning. Not to mention the quality of Hadrian's portrait!

    Mine is of a more "linear" style. I would love to own an example of both but at today's prices, it would require a sacrifice of budget that could be applied to adding another distinct type (or types):

    Nilus.jpg
     
  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Not so much exotic, rather more UNCOMMON for Ancient coins:

    FROG:
    Luceria AES Grave Anonymous 217-215 BCE Uncia 7.35g Frog-Corn Ear pellet retrograde L T-V 285.jpg
    LUCERIA
    Anonymous
    , ca. 217-212 BC,
    AE uncia 7.36g.
    Obv: Frog viewed from above
    Rev: corn-ear, pellet left & retrograde letter L left,
    Ref: T&V-285.
    Comments: crudely cast as always, Fine to VF, R

    Since everyone is in a Roman Empire coin mode - ANTELOPE:
    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate zoo Antelope 1000 yr anniv Rome.jpg
    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate zoo Antelope 1000 yr anniv Rome
     
  15. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, everyone, for your posts and the menagerie illustrated by these Roman coins. I often wonder if the Romans back on the mainland thought that some of these animals were mythical (like the chimaera and griffin from Greek mythology) or knew that they were actually real. Possibly the games in the Colosseum were sufficient proof that these were indeed living animals.

    This is a great coin, on which I was the underbidder at the most recent auction where it was offered (no, AJ was not the other bidder; he acquired it through a somewhat circuitous route some time after the auction). The crocodile's limbs are clearly discernible, as is the Sphinx head on which Nilus is resting his arm. The artistry is superb.
     
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  16. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    I've got a hippo on this Alexandrine diobol of Claudius:
    Claudius Egypt diobol.jpg
    I have to say, though, I was a bit underwhelmed when I actually saw hippos in the wild in Tanzania. They basically just sit around in the water all day, poop massive quantities, and make a terrible stench as a result. They are, apparently, an important part of the cycling of nutrients in their ecosystem, but they are a stinky part.
     
  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Z is too nice. I prefer his denarius. Better yet is Ancient Joe's aureus for its balance and animal detail but I do have a preference for the travel types with legends. Opinions will vary whenever any art form is discussed. I would, however, love to see the finest examples of the sestertii of this series where the larger flans allowed finer work (whether or not it was accomplished). The effect is lost when we descend to the level of coins like mine.
    rc1975fd3391.jpg
    Who has this coin?
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=43764#
     
  18. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    @IdesOfMarch01 Where is the crocodile in your opening coin? I don't see it. I see a wolf looking creature, thats the hippo right?
     
  19. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Look at the bottom of the reverse. It's easy to miss, but that's the croc facing left
     
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  20. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    @red_spork Ahhh thank you! At first I thought it was part of the ground or some sort of branch lol
     
  21. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Croc circled.jpg
     
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