Die clash coins

Quick question a die class is considered a mint error some people say yes some people say no just need an idea if they are not cuz I found one that has a serious. Glasses thank you but you can only see it with the light when you turn it in the light

 

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I personally classify die clashes as mint errors but I guess they could be thought of as die varieties.

Can you post pictures of the coin you think has a serious die clash? I'm interested in seeing it.

 

Sometimes we can look to close! Best thing we can do is make sure without a doubt that those images are raised on the coin and add photos . Keep in mind you should take photos from several angles and straight on being best .

 

Sweet!! That's a severe clash!! A keeper for sure.

 

FANTASTIC, nice

 

Generally speaking, a "variety" is created the very second there is a change/alteration/flaw in a die or dies - be it unintentional from a die clash or crack or doubling of the hub, or intentional as in an intentional design change like from the Lincoln Memorial to the Shield on the reverse from a cent.

An "error" occurs due to an error in the striking process, like a broadstrike, die adjustment, off center, or double strike. It can also be from a flaw in the metal (laminations, clips, improper alloy), plating errors (not annealed, copper wash, etc.) use of the wrong metal/planchet (quarter on cent planchet), or different thickness (like tapered coins).

Since the dies smashed into each other, the dies each now have an imprint of the other in them as well as their proper die details. The image left on the coins once this happens do not result from how the coin was struck, but reflect hiw the dies have changed.

So, numismatically speaking, I think technically die clashes are therefore "varieties." They are errors from the Mint, but the proper attribution here is variety.

 

I don't think of die clashes as errors. It is just part of the minting process. Die polish lines aren't considered errors.

 

Wow! That's even better than my 1983-P 50C clash.

 

When you guys describe the definitions of numismatic terminologies, are they from the mint or are these definitions by the TPGs?

 

I go by what the top experts in this field use, as well as error-ref.com

The confusion ensues because there is a very specific vocabulary in numismatics.

Look at how confusing these statements are below:

A varierty can be caused by a mistake on a die. Mistake and error are synonyms, but it would be an error to call this an error and not a variety.

There are different varieties of errors, but errors aren't varieties.

However some can be both: An off-center 3-legged Buffalo nickel is both a variety and an error.

Make "cents?"

 

Your first comments kind of made sense to me, I wasn't really questioning it. As you said, different people use different terminologies and for someone like me that is learning, I constantly have to look up the terminology used to understand what they're talking about but it does get confusing when two different descriptions are used for the same thing. At least now I know that there can be overlap or the same meaning. I'm not a huge collector, this truly is a hobby where I only do it when I feel like it. I tend to spend more time on trying to understand how to identify the error than actually looking for errors/varieties because of the sometimes different explanations. I enjoy learning it though otherwise I won't spend time on it.

This clears up what I wasn't clear on from your first comment that's why I said "kind of made sense"

Thanks!

 

There is lots of confusion. I am always learning.

Here are things that took me a while to understand:

1. The difference between a blank and a planchet; many TPGs mistakenly label and attribute them interchangably, and do so quite often

2. The difference between a type 1 blank and a type 2 blank (and a type 2 planchet), especially on a struck coin; Another area the TPGs frequently get wrong

3. The difference between an uncentered broadstrike and an off-center coin; they sometimes look similar

4. The differences between rare, scarce, and unique

5. True hub doubling from Die Deterioration Doubling

6. The one thing I am still trying to fully understand is exactly at what point is a coin considered damaged, which I am creating a thread on now.

 

Unique:
Origin early 17th century: from French, from Latin unicus, from unus ‘one.’

 

@rickmp. Like your dime. Whats your take on this question. Hi willysilver. I wonder that too

 

I gave you a best answer. But your (I THINK) I'll just ignore

 

My "I think"?

 

Yeah your last paragraph in you explanation had i think

 

Ok. So it shouldn't be "i think" because it is definitely all true. Is that what you mean?

 

I believed every word. And thankyou