beware: planman2014 here, planonit (Hunter Smith) ATS

The guy was on this site early this morning.

 

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He lurks all the time.

 

Yes, it's being tracked.

In reference to above. I seriously doubt he would sue someone. For instance, in many offices they ALWAYS countersues. That brings up discovery, etc. But then the initial motion would bring their name, etc into public record. The "statement to sue" can be demeaning to people who do not have the resources to protect themselves from such situations. But sometimes you never know who's on the other side of the computer. But no one is proffering legal advice in this thread, consult an attorney if anything does happen.

 

I personally find it ridiculous the mods allow it to continue. When you have a known scammer... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

 

"Can't prove anything!" "Could be false!" "Its your fault for doing business with him!" "Buyer beware!" "If we block him, we could be sued!" Etc etc...

 

Peter and Doug understand this ground really well. From a legal standpoint they have it correct.

 

actually through Discovery it can be proven. One reason someone doing these things should never sue anyone. Their identity is hidden from most people which allows them to continue. If they present their real self in a court document, then all things can happen ...

 

As Doug said ( twice actually) the forum is unhappy it happened, but doesn't want the legal responsibility if court cases were to rule against it. He said members could post in threads if they wished, but that The Poster would then be legally responsible. If you or anyone wishes to do it, then Lawyer up and do it yourself, or you can just stand on the side and complain. It seems you do not want the responsibility or possible expenditures, so let the ones with a case , take it themselves. It does no good or useful result otherwise. It is mainly a business consideration. Many times, buyers are so anxious to grab what looks like a tremendous deal before someone else does, they do not do proper investigation of the seller/buyer. The bad buyer/seller deal here is probably much less than most venues, but still must be evaluated. Jim

 

Yes I learned not to use Bing to search even with Windows 10. I redid my searches and the lack key words brought up the information that would have been valuable in decision making. the inclusion of them actually didn't bring up the info, oddly.
Google brought up everything.

 

There are internet tools you can buy to bump down your negative reviews. I hear commercials for them all the time on ESPN radio.

 

Jim, you sound defensive. But inaction just looks like the "higher ups" are complicit in the act. And yes, I'm saying that without a lawyer.

 

A big scam of his is also emailing craigslist coin ads, both selling and buying, to "cold contact" potential marks of his fictional coins that don't exist. Someone recently reported getting a message from him asking if he was buying in response to a CL sales ad of his.

 

No I am not defensive, as I own no financial nor legal interest in the forum. I am a member asked to be a moderator and that is what I am doing here. I am wondering what you are trying to accomplish. You are not going to change the position of the administrators, and if you think that remarks seemingly intended to put pressure on them to do so, will accomplish this, I do believe you are very wrong. What is your position in this thread? Clawcoins seems to be the one affected, and he is pursuing his route of discovery it seems and any side action might be ill advised by others with no direct interest. This thread doesn't seem to a normal person to be showing any member as complicit, as the rules have been well pointed out more than once. You can always write a thread about how members can avoid such problems if they deal, it might be helpful. Jim

 

Threads like this really take the trust out of buying coins site unseen. The only two coins I have ever bought, site unseen were from the Moonlight Mint. And it is becoming more evident that I don't plan it anytime soon.
I think of it this way, everything comes full circle.

 

Like it or not, a guy like this — as well as the amoral on eBay — make it more difficult for Honest Joes to break into selling.

 

I am sharing my opinion, Jim. That's what I am trying to accomplish. And my opinion is that it appears that (your) priorities are backwards when it comes to banning members. And I can say that all I want. But heaven forbid I make it political or use naughty words. Because that's just not allowed here. (Oh darn, I said "heaven," Is that a religious comment?!? Oh no, I also said "darn!" Is that a substitute for a dirty word?!??).


I'm done now. Made the point I wanted to make. Comment back or don't. Like you said, I'm not changing your position. But know also that you aren't changing mine.

 

As much as I hate to say it, and with all due respect to Jim, I have to agree. A participating member and NY resident received a temp ban for posting photos of terrorist playing cards to a 9/11 remembrance thread, yet some clown who has repeated screwed the membership is allowed to stay and use the forum to perpetrate fraud? Let's just say there's something very wrong with this picture.

That said, perhaps we should revisit a few of the rules we're all expected to abide by....

"Cyber bullying will not be tolerated. And it is up to the sole discretion of the Moderators as to what does, or does not, constitute cyber bullying; as are the consequences for such."

In particular, do notice the "sole discretion" part and let it simmer for a moment or two. Would it really be that hard to make the case that this kid's repeated abuse of the membership is a form of bullying, cyber or not? Hell, merely stating facts here can get one accused of being a bully, yet defrauding folks isn't?

"Personal attacks are not permitted. All Coin Talk members, young, old and in between, will treat all other members with respect and be civil at all times. You are expected to act as responsible individuals."

This should be an easy one. After all, it doesn't get much more personal than ripping someone off, but even if we made an excuse for it, how about this...

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/this-scum-bag-is-a-real-winner-need-your-help-again.260880/

"Personal"? Check. "Attack"? Check. Need more? How about how many times this clown would mercilessly attack others baselessly claiming them trolls or worse? Surely I'm not the only one who remembers him openly attacking a new member for WISELY not wanting to deal with him. If not, here you go...

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/inherited-large-collection-seeking-advice.287377/#post-2586656

We peon members may have no sway with the administration and I can certainly respect that. However, this forum has come to mean something to many of us and it's sad to see it needlessly giving itself a black eye over something so insufferably stupid. This clown is literally using the board and it's membership as his personal hunting grounds and is supported in his efforts to do so? No, it isn't Peter's, Doug's, or Jim's responsibility to protect folks from themselves, but how about protecting the forum itself? A good reputation is hard to earn yet easy to ruin, so why anyone in power would allow the forum's reputation to be tarnished all so little boy Hunter can play hotshot con man is beyond me, especially considering the fact that there's absolutely no benefit in doing so.




Although I haven't had any personal dealing with this clown, for the sake of full disclosure he once thought it a good idea to message me. Apparently he wasn't too fond of my willingness to call his BS. His message is below...

"I am not going to reply too your long-winded comment. I did it once and won't do it again.
I wish you luck in collecting and strongly suggest you seek some objective advise from experienced collectors before making any purchase.

No need to reply to any future thread of mine as well."

It looks as if the clown is online as I write this. As the old saying goes: there's no time like the present.... (if you catch my drift).

Take as you will, of course.