Dry Ink Transfer?

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by clembo, Dec 16, 2007.

  1. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    This one is tough to picture but here's the story.

    I recently sold a coin for a whopping $2. Buyer paid with a CU 2003 $2 note in a Christmas card.

    Here's what the inside of the card looks like.

    http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0010-2.jpg

    A ligh mirror image of the face of the note. Just thought it was kind of interesting as I would not expect this to happen.

    Thoughts, opinions, theories?
     
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  3. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    So was the note printed by the BEP, or produced on someone's ink jet printer???????
     
  4. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist

    Maybe your post office is on red alert for bio-warfare and is irradiating your mail.
     
  5. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    LOL - That's so funny I cannot even stand it. (The coincidence is all) That being said - I worked literally a stone throw from the Inquirer building (direct line of sight) in Boca when the anthrax thing hit. I passed by the building at lunch wondering why all the FBI cars were parked in the enterence. Talk about scary - at home we threw out more mail unopened that I can even begin to tell you. Even our normal bills were handled cautiously. I think the card is cool but have to wonder a little about the ink on those twos. That is quite a distinct transfer! Isn't there a process that keeps the ink from transferring? I don't think that radiation would break down chemicals used to bond the ink to the cotton fibers but I'm not a chemical engineer so who knows? Sounds like an interesting experiment... :smile
     
  6. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Okay hononai - your post number 657 is also adding to the conspiracy theory - it's all starting to add up - the feds are going to show up tomorrow at my home asking all sorts of questions. :eek::eek::eek: If my wife finds out about that proof set buy she might just play along and let me sweat it out :cool:. Anyone know a good lawyer?

    It's a bit of a stretch but after that Steeler loss I need something to laugh about...
     
  7. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    The Mrs is rather good :D
     
  8. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist

    I don't think it's an issue of the ink breaking down, rather it's an issue of the ink getting heated up. Think of the ink as a kind of thermoset plastic. Thermoset plastics aren't supposed to melt, but there is a point where they get soft and pliable before they get destroyed. The ink in the notes has similar properties.
     
  9. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Man, that is neat. Was it a Santa dollar by any chance at all? :D That's pretty cool. :D :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  10. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Have to wonder a little about the processes the mail goes through if it's really heating the ink to a temperature that would cause it to act differently than it did prior to the process. Like I stated before I like mail to be safe because I have first hand knowledge of expecting the worst. :rolleyes:
     
  11. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist

    We don't know for sure what the cause of your card/note is, but during the anthrax scare, certain postal distribution centers were irradiating all mail giving it a slightly burnt characteristic. This process supposedly produced a sterile result, but also destroyed many things like photographs, some computer media, negatives, etc... and left alot of paper crisp or slightly-brown looking.

    My understanding (and again don't take this as a fact) is that they have learned that they can back off on the intensity and still sterilize the mail. Not all mail receives this treatment, only mail that has been targetted due to a probable cause.

    I have to wonder if there were any precious banknotes damaged during that scare.
     
  12. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Now you're reading my mind. Makes you think twice about sending that CHCU 75 to 100 year old note through the mail system.
     
  13. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    Twiggs sent me a Canadian dollar and the same thing happened,
     
  14. LSM

    LSM Collector

    In my opinion non of the machines used at the PO couldn't have caused the over print. If your curious about what type of machines your mail runs thru just google postal automation.

    Lou
     
  15. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    You should look at the possibility of chemical reaction. The Card stock is treated with different coatings and the transfer could be one that is ionic based. I am just guessing here, I have no real proof, however, there is a chance this happened.

    Interesting to hear what everyone says...


    RickieB
     
  16. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind


    Actually though about that but will not spend time researching it. Just thought it was odd so I put it up for comment.
     
  17. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Here is a card USS656(Darryl) sent me ..inside is a transfer as well. When I first opened it 2 days ago..no transfer..then wallah!! Transfer...Really makes me think it is chemical!

    RickieB
     

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  18. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    That's amazing how much transfered - if left pressed together long enough, the image would be extreamly clear.

    Best Regards,

    Darryl
     
  19. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Darryl...

    Thanks again for the $2 note! It was a beauty! I'll post pics over the holidays..

    Regards,

    RickieB
     
  20. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    Wow.

    I should have left it in there longer!

    You didn't print these at home right Darryl?
     
  21. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    LOL - I wish I was that good at making money - No - no money printing going on in this house. ;)
     
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