Mystery 1955 penny?

I'll say it again, follow Lincoln's nose and if you can, tell the world how THAT happened...? I don't need the judgements though, so calm down with yourselves on that please. It's kinda rude and assuming. Yet, not even Fred has answered this question, how did that ST happen? He's the best in the world, right? We all know it, that is why I talked to him and that is why PCGS talks to him, right? Please don't treat me like an idiot just because I have patience to learn the truth and not make quick judgements. Thank you

 

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I've seen the same photos that you guys have.

I told him a few times it's damaged/altered, and
on the third reply to him, I suggested he go to
this site, and post his photos and questions,
and he'd gets lots more info on his coin that I can
offer him.

Welcome to my world.

 

Yes, he told me to come here and post here today via Email. I met him LA in 2015 and he saw the coin. He says it's damaged, I say that very clearly in the original thread dude. I'm still wondering, what is that ST about? And nobody has an answer, why? I say it clearly in the first thread so why are people dodging around that reality? You see the picture right? In front of Lincoln's nose, below the word trust, there's another ST raised up, pressed on the coin from the maybe mint, ya? Look at it close and just think a little instead of going for the quick answer.

 

There's a glue they use to do that.

 

Entertaining post

 

Don't discredit me and call my words ridiculous stories, how about you tell me how that ST happened?

 

You, sir, are the one here making all these grand claims and therefore the onus is on YOU to back them up. Instead of dishing a growing attitude and repeatedly telling others that they need to look closer, perhaps you should follow your own advice.

And as for Mr. Weinberg, perhaps you should show a little gratitude for his efforts. He didn't have to assist you in any way....

 

How's it work? I don't understand what you mean man

 

I answered your question a few posts ago. Famous fake mint error creator Frank G. Spadone created similar fakes like yours. The ST could of been added.

 

First take a good look at that area. It's a real hard adhesive they use. I can't make out if it's present by these pictures. Is that area raised any? Let's start there.

 

What is your problem? You can't explain something so you gotta be mean and then try to say I'm insulting somebody who I've thanked repeatedly today? And you don't know, I flew across the country to meet Fred and he couldn't take a scope to this penny and explain the ST either. He treated me like a bum, ok? So it was actually really rude of him and he knows it. I came here to ask a simple question to good people, if you can't participate with a solid answer or theory can you please be quiet? Thank you.

 

You're a better coin collector than I am.

If Fred said damaged, and most if not all from this forum says it's damaged...where to next? How about you send it in for attribution to PCGS, NGC and ANACS and see if any of the three will see it the way you do.

If you think it's the real deal, and it's your lucky coin, then that really is all that matters. What is your goal? It doesn't sound like anyone from CT will be able to explain that "ST" any other way other than damage.

 

You're still not answering the question of how the ST was made though, you're saying somebody viced it and then later somebody else added the ST man? You really think that happened because it just couldn't have gotten jammed somehow? I mean, it sounds just as ridiculous to me to think some guy made this in his garage for a profit, correct? Does this look like a fake 55 at all? No, it doesn't. What you guys are theorizing, does not make sense at all. There is no motive in what you are saying, nobody would spend time, effort or the money to do this because there's no return. Theres no gain in making a crappy fake raplica, so who would? It's a waste of time. Nobody would, ever. If somebody had the skills and ability to make that ST, then they'd try to make one that could be sold. They would not make this, it's nothing like a 55. Just try to imagine, IF it could actually have gotten stuck in the tube? Take a moment, it will not kill you to think about it a little and you probably know more then I do so you can do better then I can on understanding how this coin got made like this. Paul could. At least I'm honest about it and that's the point. You saying the ST could have been added is just as equal as saying it could have gotten stuck in the tube. It's just as ridiculous, really. Logically, when you think about it, it doesn't make sense that it's a fake, because nobody would ever fake a 55 this badly. Who would slam it and then add an St way out of alignment with where an ST is supposed to be on a doubled die? Its about logistics man, not imagination. The proof is stamped in metal, not fabricated. If it was fabricated, it'd look something more like a doubled die 55 then that mangled thing. Very mangled, like what a machine does. Not a vice or a hammer. It's conceived, it's not flat. Dome shaped as in, it would be flattened in a vice, right? Yet, die's are domed shaped...right? Flat vice, or, domed die? Physics is physics, metal doesn't dome under flat pressure. Take two pennies and slam with a hammer, and show me a perfectly domed penny and I'll reside my case but, as far as science can prove, it's impossible to do this with a vice or hammer. You can say someone domed it and then slammed it an effort to create a fake but then, you get back to that fact it doesn't look like a 55, so who would do that on purpose? That ST, it proves either it was the die, or somebody who was very skilled. That' is very clear. It's one or the other, and it's like I say if somebody was that skilled they would make one they could sell. This would be a waste of time. Just think about it, wouldn't it?

 

No more comments from me.. Good luck with your coin.

 

The whole coin is con-caved, like a dome shape

 

What's that big area in the field containing the ST, is it raised off the concave surface? It kind of looks like it is.

 

I think there's something a little deeper going on with this coin then what people are thinking, that's all. It's historical either way so that's why I'm going public with it. $20,000 offer for a fake coin if it's fake? That's history already man. Sometimes it takes a while to change people's minds in a situation like this, we live in a society where a lotta people are quick to assume things and we make mistakes. There's something about this coin though man, maybe I'll write a book but I don't think it's a fake. Something messed up the 55's, the process that year, maybe this is something to do with it? I'd rather learn something new and keep an open mind then assume I know it already because this one just doesn't make sense. It's worth keep open. The goal is the truth, I wanna know how this was made. It doesn't seem like a fake when you spend some time to really think, what would be the motive to making this? That's why I think it's art, it makes me think and that's all good fine art is. It's more then a coin, it's like a Van Gogh, weird and strange but somehow beautiful. It's a mangled mess but look at it, isn't it just a cool coin? Imagine finding that in some pocket change, wouldn't it be awesome? It's got this feel to it too, it feel lucky. I find 4 leaf clovers a lot and I feel them as weird as that sounds, but I feel them out somehow and that's how I find them. This coin gives me the same feel. I don't know how to explain it, but it does. It's cool

 

I wonder every day why people would waste their time to create a virus that attacks my business computers and have nothing to gain from it.... Yes, there are people out there that simply have too much time on their hands and malicious intent in their hearts. Now, I won't pass judgment on your piece. While it is quite interesting the good folks that have posted are quite educated and qualified to offer their opinion. I'll just say that my years on this planet have reinforced to me that anything that looks to good to be true.... Probably is.

 

Ok, so you can't explain it either, see? That's what I'm saying. Just like I did you can assume stuff because it's difficult to think it might actually be the real deal. I'm done assuming because I don't know. If you can't prove it's not, then it's a quad strike from the tube. If you can then you can. You're only theorizing though when the proof in the metal says different then that theory we all go with about it being a vice slam. All I'm saying is keep an open mind and don't discredit it. Thank you, have a good day man

 

Just think if they were worth $20k. China would make tons of them.

FYI .. I was a jeweler in the past. It's not very difficult even with rudimentary tools for an extra "ST". fyi, it's just the opposite of the first imprint on it.

You can clearly see a reversal of a 1955 penny on the forehead with the last letters of "Liberty" and the numbers of "1955" on the jacket with all the other the first compression damage on it from the head/torso.