No mint luster!!!!!!!!!!!!

? How do coins with NO mint luster get slabbed as mintstate???????:loud:?

 

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someone wastes $30 and gets it slabbed

 

Unless it is a 1909 S VDB in F-12, or something.

 

Ahhhhh Coins slabbed MS with no luster. Come on!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Are you asking a question, or do you already know the answer? Some coins don't need there natural mint luster to be mint state, such as some lincoln cents, buffalo nickels, and some other coins. Where areas luster is a thing to look for, it doesn't have to be there that I know of for a coin to be mint state. Now if it is unnaturally gone, removed by harsh cleaning or so, NGC nor PCGS will slab them, because then they are problem coins, and in there opinion, ungradable. Does any of this answer your question? There is I am wrong in some things I have said, and in that case it won't be long till someone will come along and corrects me, and all. If you don't mind me asking, what prompted this question, did you see some coins without mint luster that are slabbed?

Phoenix

 

Phoenix, In particular silver coins with no luster called mint state. Have seen some,but did not agree with grade in any of them???? IMHO>

 

mirrored proofs and super dmpl Morgans are the only ones I can think of that should be slabbed.

 

look at your first posting, you never mentioned MS.

 

My error on original post,let me rephrase: What i think i know is that "Silver" coins without mint luster( Not talking about toning here)can not be mintstate! Have seen this misrepresentation numerous times form GRADING SERVICES.Also see Au58's in 63 Holders..This is bad news especially for the beginner that doesn't know the difference. It's hard to be involved in this wonderful hobby when fooled by INCONSISTANCEY!

 

From a old school collector i knew-"Without people like us,you can melt down or spend these coins!

 

Well, technically $30 down the turlet.

 

Probably the service located in Mansfield, Ohio.

 

We might be having a nomencature issue here. here is a link to a few definitions that specifically designate luster as a feature of business strike coins and NOT proof coinage:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:mint+luster&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Basically, luster is the visual effect of flow lines on a coin, but a coin struck with highly polished dies (proofs and ultra deep dmpl's) will have no flow lines to scatter the light; instead the light is merely reflected, which is not luster. Luster develops over the continued use of the die as the metal flowing across them from repeated use causes "damage" to the die, and eventually the luster becomes muted as the flow lines damage the die further to the point that they are so deep that light gets lost in them instead of being properly scattered.

 

Specifically: PCI<NNC<PSGS<ANACS(old),and yes even the "first rate"ones too! Have documentation ie 1 example of inconsistency-PCI XF45,NGC would not cross over,cracked coin out and it came back AU58 NGC,then submitted to PCGS where it was put in a MS62 holder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yup. I know of a person that sent a 16-D Dime in over a dozen times before he got his MS63 holder.

 

Season's Greetings. L@@k at the 1875 Trade $ on eBay,Item#330198098758"specifically" the pics.MS63 OGH ,MS63 ngc THEN MS64 NGC. Slabs are great for second opinions as to genuiness,altered surfaces,cleaned and NOT slabbed,but as far as the numerical grade goes it has little meaning,especially to the real value of the coin. NOTE MY OPINIONS MAY DIFFER FROM YOURS SO"DO it your way"and try to enjoy. Merry Christmas.