New RPM Variety? 1960-D Small date

Hey everyone,

I believe I found a new variety of the 1960-D small date. I'm trying to get some opinions before I submit to an attributer or possibly a 3rd party grading company.

I found it while going through a roll of unc. 1960-D small date cents.

It is very faint but I believe you should be able to see it in pictures. The rpm is to the north of the primary mintmark and almost shows a complete secondary mintmark.

There is not one identical to this one listed on any reference site. Any opinions/comments would be appreciated.

 

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I see something that looks a bit like a ghostly D, but it's much smaller than the actual mint mark.

I suspect you're just seeing a pattern in the normal mottling of the field, easy to do when using this kind of magnification. In the same way, whenever I look at an image of the reverse of a 1911 quarter eagle, I can always make out a faint D, whether there's actually one there or not.

Not my specialty, though -- let's see what the experts here think. Welcome to CoinTalk!

 

The 1960 D cents have a lot of RPMs that have the 'ghostly' or faint extra D to the North. It looks like it MAY be an RPM. If so, like you said, this doesn't look like any listed, due to the MM placement and the RPM spread.

You can compare to a few different sites, to see if it matches any. Not sure what sites you used to compare, but here are a few.

http://varietyvista.com/02b LC RPMs Vol 2/RPMs 1960D (1-60).htm
http://doubleddie.com/311222.html
https://coppercoins.com/diesearch.php

 

Oh, and your coin is a large date, not a small date. EDITED...My mistake. It is a small date. confusion has set in.

 

There's no reason to send it to a TPG. If confident it is as you claim or if you simply want to know one way or the other, sending to Wexler (or the like) would be the obvious first move.

 

Looks like a small date to me.

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/smalldates/1960smalldate.html

 

yes. I goofed! thanks for the catch!

 

Good recommendation. Let the CONECA guys have a go at it. I don't think a TPG will attribute a new RPM anyway

 

I was just thinking about that. The top tier plastic factories do not, but I wasn't sure about ANACS in particular. However, and if memory serves me, I think I remember reading something about how they'll label a submitted discovery coin as such after it's been submitted to Wexler and with his confirmation. Perhaps it's the same with Wiles too?

 

If this looks like a legitimate possible RPM to those in the know, I guess it reinforces that I have no business going into this area. I feel like I could pick out at least half a dozen equally prominent random characters from the fields shown in the photo.

 

I can't see it and I really want to, would you mind outlining the repunched mark?

 

To distinguish if it is such an WRPM, compare also the location of the top of the "D" to the numbers above. The Denver punchsetter was not the best group even for the time. One could spend a lifetime trying for all of the RPMs from Denver in that year.

Here is the best of the group, DDO-001, sm/large Date, WRPM

 

I recall hearing something similar about Wexler attributed discovery coins. I would consider dropping a few bucks to have this done. Stuff like this isn't my thing, but I hope the OP has something

 

No harm, no foul.

And kudos for amending your previous post without changing the context. If only others would follow your lead...

 

Yes, ANACS does label a coin as a discovery coin by submitting it with the letter from Wexler as such. I've had a couple done like this. Pretty cool to have that on the slab.

 

For what little it's worth, I wholly agree that this absolutely should be approached with a skeptical eye. It's easier to agree and/or congratulate someone on a find than it is to question the veracity of their claims, but doing so (hopefully) makes others think as well as helps to keep the board honest while adding to the educational experience (imo).

The thing with something like this is that it's different from the clowns we often see insisting their road rash is going to shower them with vast wealth. Submitting something like this to Mr. Wexler for barely the cost of a value meal is night and day different from, say, driving across Florida to hand deliver a likely environmentally damaged nickel to NGC. At the very least the OP would be out a few bucks for the opinion of an acknowledged expert, and is one of the best deals going in this hobby. Still, suggesting he send it for attribution shouldn't be viewed as personally believing the coin to be an RPM. If it turns out to be as he hopes it'll have been well worth the effort, but even if it doesn't he'll likely learn something from the experience and be the better for it. If he shares the results the same can be said for many of us too.

That said, if the OP is capable of doing a photo overlay, this would make for a fine first step. If he can show the anomaly to match that of a faint mintmark, it would also make his case that much stronger.

 

Thanks for the many replies.

I have spoken to Wexler via email.

I'm going to submit our conversation first before I continue.

 

This email was approximately 2 weeks ago.

 

Wow. That hurts.

 

Due to this email is a reason why I mentioned using a TPG. I was going to submit it to Chuck Daughtrey of Coppercoins.com but he is swamped. He attributed a 1968-D RPM-018 that I discovered.

I would like to get it attributed for the records but I do not know of any other attributers. The only other person that I know of is James Wiles, however I do not know much about him.

So maybe ANACS might be the alternative since Im having a difficult time finding the right people.

I have searched varietyvista, doubleddie.com, and coppercoins.com. There arent any matches like mine. There are several similar, but not in the correct position.