Very, Very Scarce Jefferson Nickel Error and a Nice Brass Lincoln Cent Error

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IDK if the delmonte is intentional or not. And here is why. Of course the sticker had to come from a mint employee, either accidentally or on purpose.
But in the case of minting coins, the intentional ones are smuggled out of the mint by the people involved. The delmonte note ended up in circulation so if it was done intentionally, they didn't profit from it.

 

No. That's very neat, though!

 

Well, the del Monte sticker had to have been put on after the first part of the printing started.

As for coins, I honestly don't know how one can pull it off and sneak them out as I am not familiar with their security. But I have to assume it a absolutely happens.

 

Thank you for sharing. Very interesting!

 

The first word that comes to mind is: artificial. To me, intentional fabrication equals counterfeit.

I agree there exist true accidental errors, and your 2 coins may fall into this scenario. There's no way to know that they do. The mere suspicion of "intentionally made" causes interest to wane.

IMHO.

Spark

 

The information that gets leaked from the mint is very limited. However we did learn sometime during the 70's employees were caught smuggling coins out hidden in the oil pans of forklifts. They recovered the ill-gotten goods when the trucks were sent for servicing.

...and then.. There is the more recent caper in Canada where an employee was caught smuggling gold pucks out of the mint where the sun don't shine.

 

Intentional? Certainly, at least in some cases. Counterfeit? No. That’s something totally different...

 

I agree to disagree with your definition of what constitutes a counterfeit...Spark.

 

I learned somewhere that all 1944 pennies (maybe '45's, too) were were struck from brass, which was plentiful at that time; a result of availability of scrap brass from the (okay; I'll say it) booming munitions industry, plus vast quantities of empty brass shell cases returned from war zones and stateside training.
Whatever the reason, output of pennies set records in those years; a contrast from '43, when copper and copper alloys were thought to be in short supply.

 

Shell case cents 1944-1946. Several threads here about that.
I don't believe spent shells were shipped home from overseas.
Some say scrap metal from domestic firing ranges, and others say that never happened. The metal alloy (from a post here shows)

1909-1942 - 0.950 copper, 0.050 tin and zinc
1944-1946 - 0.950 copper, 0.050 zinc
1947-1958 - 0.950 copper, 0.050 tin and zinc
So it was almost the same except for the tin. I have noticed a different toning on the 1944-1946 shell case cents, but that is also debatable.

 

In some cases military service members over seas were directed to collect the spent shell cases. This should not have occurred and the shell cases were not shipped home. The shell cases recycled and used for cent coinage were from domestic training ranges, and yes the recycling of shell cases into cents did actually happen. Roger Burdette has actually tracked down the document in the national archives that covered the recycling program.

 

I don't have a reference handy, but I have always understood that the cents made from shell casings still had a trace of tin in them. Will try to find a reference.

 

Mintage from 44-46 was over 5 billion. Were there really that many spent shell casings from domestic firing ranges (after smelting and purifying) to produce that many cents, over a half billion ounces, (35 million pounds)? The reason I don't believe spent shell casings from overseas were taken home, why would we sent our people out on the battlefields of France, Britain, Germany and take the shells left behind, some of which could still be live and be very dangerous?

 

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