PERSIA through the currency

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  1. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    the inscription in Aramaic alphabet of the setbacks is perfectly readable : d'ryw MLK'BRH wtprdt MLK' = Darev (Darius) king son of Vadfradad (Autophradates) king.
    Fars will remain isolated to the South, under influence, but not really under Parthian domination.Whatever it is, obviously the reverse of this coin scene refers to a cultic scene typically Persian, in direct affiliation with the Achaemenid iconography.
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    This coin is the first of my collection on Persia throughout history. "DAREV II - AR Drachm de 3,98g et 17/20mm de diamètre. [​IMG]
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That is a great looking Drachm @Rayban35 . VERY nice coin...great detail on the obverse. Well done!

    I do not have the purdiest examples, but I had fun assembling this little group:

    ACHAEMENID PERSIA:

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    Persia Achaemenid Empire Darius I 510-486 BCE AR 0.11g 5mm 1/32nd Siglos Persian hero-king in running incuse Klein 758 Rare

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    Persia Achamenid Type III spear over shoulder Darius I to Xerxes II Ca 485-420 BCE AR Siglos Bankers Marks Incuse rev

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    Persia Achamenid Type IV dagger quiver running Darius I to Xerxes II 455-420 BCE AR QUARTER-Siglos 1.35g 8mm Incuse rev

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    Achaemenid Xerxes II to Artaxerxes II 420-375 BCE AR siglos 16 mm 5.14 g Persian king running spear bow - incuse Carradice Type IIIb C pl XIV 42) Sunrise 25

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    Persia Achamenid Type IV Artaxerxes II to Daris III (The ShahanShah who lost the Empire to Alexander III) 375-336 BCE AR siglos 15.2mm 5.45g running stance r daggar bow incuse BMC 172ff rev


    This is the Satrap that ALMOST killed Alexander III of Makedon (later the Great) at the Battle of Granicus. Instead Cleitus lopped off his arm just as Spithradates was lowering his scimitar onto Alexander:
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    Persia Spithridates Achaemenid satrap of Sparda-Lydia and Ionia- 334 BCE AE10 1.20g wearing Persian headdress - Forepart galloping horse r Klein 367, Cop 1538


    Persia Achaemenid Empire 4th C BCE FOURREE 15mm Siglos Persian hero-king in running incuse.JPG
    Persia Achaemenid Empire 4th C BCE FOURREE 15mm Siglos Persian hero-king in running incuse
     
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  4. Severus Alexander

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    Fantastic example!! Here's the obol:
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  5. Bob L.

    Bob L. Well-Known Member

    Wonderful little AR's, Rayban35 and Severus Alexander, and a great set, Alegandron.

    Just thought I'd add a bit of info to this thread. In my last correspondence with Pieter Anne van't Haaff (author of Catalogue of Elymaean Coinage), he mentioned that he is working with CNG's Scatt VanHorn on a catalogue of coins from Persis, hopefully to be published by CNG "in the coming months." Something for Persis coins fans to look forward to.
     
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  6. Severus Alexander

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    That's good to hear! I do enjoy coins from Persis, though I only have a few. The ID on the first one below seems to be a bit sketchy, and the dates are sketchy on all of them. Maybe the new book will clear things up!

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    Drachm, unknown king, 2nd c. BCE (Persepolis mint)

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    obol, Kapat/Napad, mid to late 1st c. CE

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    hemidrachm, unknown king II, late 1st c. CE
     
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  7. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    Kings of Persis c. 230 BC – c. 210 AD
    Darev II 1st century, unfortunately nothing more specific.
     
  8. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    An Empire in creation, the Parthians, PHRIAPATIUS (Phriapatios is the transcription into Greek of Fryapati and "in possession, or possessed by Frya" means.Frya is the name of one of the ancestors immortals of the tribe of the Fryana)
    It's a 10.1 Sellwood - double hit/milling on the obverse;
    is the third King of Parthia, and during his 15-year reign, from approximately 190 to 175 BC.J.-C, Antiochos III governs the Seleucid Empire.
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    for comparison and sent another double hit/milling on the obverse - https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=153262 [​IMG]
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have a few Parthia coins:

    Parthia Mithradates 1 177-138BCE AR Drachm - .jpg
    Parthia 177-138 BCE AR Drachm Diademed draped bust Mithradates I left bashlik - archer seated on omphalos Sellwood 10.1

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    Parthia Mithradates III 58-55 BCE AR Drachm 3.9g 20mm Rhagae mint star archer bashlyk throne bow Selwood 41-12

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    PARTHIA Orodes II 57-37 BC AR Drachm 18mm 3.3g - killed Crassus pour gold - Ekbatana l stars cresnt Arsakes bow anchor Sell48.9

    And, I only have one from Persis:

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    Persis Darius I 2nd C BCE Obol King's hd r in satrapal head-dress topped by Eagle - Fire ALtar S6200 SCARCE
     
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  10. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member


    I find it curious that you do not include the Achaemenid dynasty itself in your numismatic history of things Persian. Repeatedly in separate works, the Hebrew Bible refers to "Cyrus King of Persia." Darius I was of that same royal family, and his coinage is well known. Did the Parthians seek to distance themselves from the Achaemenids so that you would start with them?
     
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  11. Rayban35

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    You are right, I have actually some, I introduce it to you with a global post, because apart from the fact that these currencies are during the Achaemenid dynasty can't say much more?I don't have the knowledge.
     
  12. Rayban35

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    PHRAATES II 132-126/127 BC and the bonus typing workshop not very often cited (at least seems to me - it) TAMBRAX.
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    Given to Sellwood 16.10 - AR Drachma weight 4.12 g for 18mm.This type of coin, rare for the workshop was built in Tambrax, the current Sari, near Gorgan, in the Mazanderan.
    :cool:
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    PERSIA through Currency: I only have a couple Sassanians. My above posts and these would cover my Persian Empire collection.
    (Well, I also have a Daric)

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    Persia Sassanian Ardashir III 628-629 CE AR Drachm 36mm 3.85g Zoroastrian Fire Alter Gobl II-1 yr 2 Delta RARE

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    Sassanian Shapur I 240-272 CE AE Tetradrachm 10.78g 27mm Ctesiphon mint phase 1a mural crown korymbos - fire altar type 2 SNS IIa1-1a

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    PERSIA Achaemenid Daris I-Xerxes II 485-420 BC AV Daric 14mm 8.3g LydoMilesian Sardes king wearing kidaris kandys quiver spear bow Incuse Carr Type IIIb Group A-B pl XIII 27
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    WOW!! That is a spectacular example of the type!
     
  15. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    Thanks very much
     
  16. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    To answer lrbguy, here's my Achaemenids

    The State of the pieces is what he is, frequently degraded, and sometimes constellated of required.It is impossible to attribute to a sovereign in particular, their dating is in fact archaeological, such style is found from such layers dated etc...If you want to learn more: www.achemenet.com: tabs Publications in line/discovery of the empire/strikes and monetary system
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    For the first he would do the period de XERXES to DARIUS III so-450 to-330 BC
    For the second he would do the period of Artaxerxes I to Darius II-465 to -404 BC
    For the third he'd XERXES for a dating of around -480 BC [​IMG]
     
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  17. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    At the Achemenet site you referenced I only found a listing of sigloi in the British museum, and these do not mention the chronology of the pieces. http://www.achemenet.com/fr/tree/?/...gories-d-objets/monnaies/monnaies-royales#set Not even the BM referenced the standard work by Carradice.

    All three of the coins you show are Carradice type IV, Great Archer running with dagger. Not sure about the detailed breakdown. What did you use to give you the chronology of your coins? Babelon?
     
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  18. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    No I didn't, just by comparison with that
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...s=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...s=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...s=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=
     
  19. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    Ah, now I understand. All three of your coins should probably be associated with your third search link, since they are all of the same type. However, the range of dates varies by subtype, and I have not looked at yours that closely. Rather than depending upon the work of the auction houses, which is what acsearch is showing you, you might do better to refer to the study by Carradice that they all refer to.

    Let me refer you to an excellent recent source for a bit of information on the Royal Imperial Persian coinage, and more on the Satrapal coinage. It was published in 2014 in the Proceedings for the First International Congress of the Anatolian Monetary History and Numismatics.
    https://www.researchgate.net/public...or_Coins_of_the_Satraps_and_of_the_Great_King

    This is the PDF version of an article by Jaroslaw Bodzek which has the most outstanding bibliography for studies in the field that I have ever seen in one place. Struggle through the English for his study of the Satrapal coinage, but use the bibliography to get into the field your own way. In this article he only gives a brief introduction to the Imperial/Royal coinage, but refers you to the most recent works that tell most of the story in greater detail. This will give you good guidance in the study of these fascinating coins.
     
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  20. Rayban35

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    Mithradate II

    Mithridates II Arsaces VIII is a King of Parthia who reigned from 123 to 88 BCJ.-C.C' is during his reign that Parthia reached its largest extent.The name "Mithridates" means that it is under the protection of Mithra
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    :rolleyes::cool:
     
  21. Rayban35

    Rayban35 Active Member

    Thank you very much for the link, it remains for me working on my pieces and your document.
     
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