1900 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR

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  1. AALLXXiii

    AALLXXiii New Member

    Good afternoon!
    bought a coin from ebay from a trusted seller, gurt non-standard ..
    railroad rim error + misaligned die mint error

    weight of coin 26,60

    evaluate the authenticity and value of the coin

    p.s. transfer is google, thank you
    p.s.s video coin - link removed by mod -
     

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    What is it exactly what you want to know? I will not open that link without knowing who you are.
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Not really. I find this thread suspicious.
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Maybe @messy desk can explain what happened with the third side.
    I see a polished and possibly an altered coin.
    OP what does the coin weigh?
    Whats the diameter of the coin? To the closest mm.
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Looks like a tilted partial collar strike.
     
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  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    According to Alan Herbert in his book, "Official Price Guide to Mint Errors, the edge anomaly is called a "Tilted Partial Collar Strike".

    Chris
     
  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am unable to find anything on this error on http://www.error-ref.com/
    Does this mean that half the collar already broke away? Before being struck?
     
  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    That "yadi.sk" in the link is short for Yandex Disk. If you don't want to click, fine of course, but it is simply a short video that shows the edge of the coin.

    Christian
     
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  11. AALLXXiii

    AALLXXiii New Member

    weight of the coin 26,60g
    I can not measure the exact diameter
     
  12. cpm9ball

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    The planchet was struck with the collar in a tilted position.

    Chris

    *Correction*
     
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  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Perhaps it is given another name on that site. @Fred Weinberg would probably know.

    Chris
     
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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the heads up on the weight. A 1900 Morgan should weigh 26.73g. Yours, I would expect is within tolerance, especially with the surfaces being worn and polished. If it was a lot lighter? I would have stuck with the altered statement. What does the coin measure in inches. 1-7/16"? 1-1/2"?
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    After a coin is struck, the anvil die rises to push the coin out of the collar (actually I'm not sure if the die rises or if the caller is pushed down. Frankly pushing down the collar makes more sense to me.) When the end will die retracts sometimes the collar sticks not allowing the anvil die to retract fully. This results in a coining chamber that is shallower than it should be. When the planchet enters the coining chamber it now extends above the surface of the collar. When it is struck you get the reeding on the lower portion of the coin and the upper portion of the coin is left blank and sometimes spreads out above the surface of the collar. This is a partial collar strike, sometimes called a railroad edge.

    If the collar sticks more on one side when they anvil die retracts, the surface of the collar may be tipped relative to its normal position in the coining chamber is more shallow on one side than on the other. A coin struck in such a coining chamber may have nearly full reeding on one side and only partial reeding on the other. This is a tilted partial collar strike. The OP coin matches this.
     
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  16. AALLXXiii

    AALLXXiii New Member

    I apologize for the incorrect reference to my cloud,
    below is a direct link to YouTube
     
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  17. AALLXXiii

    AALLXXiii New Member

    View attachment 760621
    I can not accurately measure it, MUCH MORE than another 1889о Morgan coin with a standard gurt
     

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  18. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    No problem; it was not incorrect. It's just that some of our members are quite cautious when it comes to sites/domains they are not familiar with. Better safe than sorry, y'know. :)

    Not that I am an expert here, but a minor (!) weight difference could be explained by the fact that the edge ("gurt" is Russian) is not or just partly milled ...

    Christian
     
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