1917 Buffalo Nickel & Wheat Cent Proofs - Do They Exist??

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  1. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    The holder is made of aluminum.
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Is there some reason you don't want to show us the holder? Was it one of those lucky holders? That would explain why the rim looks like it does.
     
  4. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    It's because the holder was thrown out because it was all mangled.

    Just curious, how does such a holder cause the rim to look like that?
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    If we are talking a Lucky holder, the design is struck on the holder with the coin in place. This can create flat wide rims on the coin. Was this some type of Lucky cent holder?
     
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  6. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Yes. Other lucky holdered coins appear to have the same, typical rims of a circulation strike coin. Can it create a much wider rim? The only way to make it wider is to push the rim inwards, as the diameter is the same. That would mean that the rim would overhang the fields. Not sure what to make of it.
     
  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Yes, these holders can create the look your coin has. The die smashes the rim of the coin.
    No they don't. The die alters the rim and the edge.
     
  8. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Could have been 559 nickels and 4 cents
     
  9. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    But then the total would be 563 total coins, not 939.
     
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  10. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Interesting. So the super wide rim comes from the die? I checked other ones and they seem to have narrower rims. Or maybe my example came with wide rims to begin with?
     
  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm sure the coin had wide rims to begin with. I also think the dies used may have added a bit of width to the rims.
    There must have been over a thousand different die sets made for these. All kinds of stuff happen to the rims and edge. With some of these, detail from the design on the holder would overlap onto the rim of the coin. Fun stuff.
    Do you have a full image of the reverse and maybe more of the edge?
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Probably about 400 die pairs, this is assuming an average die life around a half 1 million coins per die pair.
     
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