Opinion on this 1798 Large Cent?

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@Marshall @Jack D. Young

 

What's up with the dentil at the 10 o'clock position on the reverse?

 

If you aren't aware of the PCGS online copy of Breen's Encyc. of early US cents, you may want to familiarize yourself with it.

1798 has 52 pages.... fun times!

https://www.pcgs.com/books/earlycents/1798-001.aspx

 

Not bad at all given her age. Purrrdy, REEEEEEEAL purrrdy. She got'ny thithterth back home?

 

Well, I think this is the S-164 R.4. First hair style. Curious if it may straight grade despite the minor issues. Also wondering if this coin is hiding any major issues.

 

Definitely the S-157, Die State III with crumbling around the loops like the 1802 Reverse B. Oddly enough, the top of the (E)D struck up better than my comp coin which has an incomplete top, but is an earlier die State with complete loops.

ps The dental below the date is a diagnostic. Note that this uses style 2 lettering and has a small 8. Style 1 hair is used on the first 20 obverses in 1798.

pss I don't see any non die related issue that should keep it from straight grading. It's a beauty. If I entombed it, I'd go for a cac sticker.

 

S 157? Not 164? What's the rarity of 157?

 

R2. Reread my post. I edited it when I looked at the Breen and Noyes books and saw it was a die state indicator and not an isolated situation (which does happen with grease).

 

It should make the condition census which is pretty high for a non Nichols Find variety. But I don't see any wear. The surfaces came from the mint in that condition due to rusty dies. I would not be surprised to see a Market Grade MS and EAC AU.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cent...0-2160.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

I think your coin has better detail and a little less Red, but verifies my thoughts that this is a really good coin.

 

Holy moly. I was hoping it would grade AU50. But that shows what I know.

 

I think it is clearly a fake....and you should send it to me to be properly disposed of...J/K. I am extremely jealous. Very nice!

 

I don't know, but luster is the only thing lacking and that is hard to see on darker coins. It could very well be there.

I look at the hairline - forehead junction and yours is very strong there. the hair detail is mostly there and what is not is likely strike related rather than wear.

Let me know what you find out from the specialists. I'd love to hear comments from the EAC convention in Traverse City next month.

 

The line forms behind me...

 

Something coin related happening in Michigan?!? That never happens

 

Not an expert like Marshall, and I understand about the rusty dies.
But I would be surprised at MS. I think this is a solid middle AU-55.

 

Do you think the scattered marks and dig in the field in front of the face would keep it from grading? I guess my question is related to how lenient TPG's are with these early coppers.

 

FYI, I'm much better at Variety Attribution than grading coins in rarefied air. But I'd want this graded by someone with Early Copper Grading expertise who won't deduct for Die State/strike issues unrelated to wear.

I'm used to BS1 to VG7 grading judgements.

 

It should depend on whether it is Rust or die state related rather than PMD. But it takes a knowledgeable grader to know the difference and you don't always get one.

This one is certainly worth trying to get Del Bland or Bill Noyes to grade and rank it. They have the condition census lists and the grading expertise needed. And I bet William C. Noyes would love to photograph it as well.

For CT followers, I'd ask Conder what he'd suggest. Heaven knows I've leaned on his knowledge and expertise often enough. Eduard is also knowledgeable with higher grade coins. He might help as well.

 

Wonder if Bill Noyes will be attending the Central States show next month?