To be honest, I can't even tell the difference on the MS examples on Heritage Auction Archives. Here are the diagnostics mentioned in Noyes, but I can't see them. "N-5 Reverse E (7, 5) Crack thru tops of UNITED. Line from top of N in UNITED. Crack from rim over M tops of MERIC. Crumbling at left top I in AMERICA. Flowlined. C. Cracks tops of UNITE and MERIC. D. Die lapped. Lines down to right from right top of E in ___ONE and inside base of E in CENT. E. Die rough. flowlined with UNITED STATES sinking. ___Only single strong line inside base of E in CENT." ... "N-13 Reverse L . Lines down from right top of E in ONE. Dot on top of E in CENT. A. Perfect - lines. B. Die slightly worn. Flowlined. Lines fading." I hope this helps you more than it did me. I couldn't pick up on any of the described imperfections.
$46. A double "error." Snow 8, reverse clashed with Seated Liberty Quarter, plus a lamination error! @ldhair , @Paddy54
Thanks for your great response, Marshall! I noticed the "dot" in the PCGS N-5...but those "centering" dots are normally found in the field between the ONE and CENT. That made me think that was an imperfection (rust pit?) instead of a centering dot. The bad news (for me) is that if the "dot" is the distinguishing feature between the N-5 and N-13...mine doesn't have the "dot". I'm curious why the more common N-13 variety wasn't cataloged by Newcomb in 1956...but the more rare N-5 was. I would expect the opposite to happen. ...common variety identified first, then the rarer variety later.
The fields seem clean, but I need to see better lit photos to say for sure. The lower bell lines look full, but the upper lines don't. In Rick Tomaska's Franklin Half Dollar book, he suggests that the FBL designation is a designation of overall strike. However, I've read where bag marks across the bell lines can prevent the FBL designation. This coin appears to be fully struck (I love the hair detail), but it may not receive the FBL designation from some TPGs. $10 for a 1961 Mint Set? ...winner, winner, chicken dinner!
I had to double check the packaging cause it is very Proof like. @yakpoo This evening I will try and get some brighter photos.
Had a friend who used to cherrypick proof sets and send the good coins to PCGS. After several years he dried up about a 300mi radius. These would be ones he would have grabbed - no question.
Are you sure the set you got these from was an actual government issued Mint Set? Because the Franklin and the Jeff you show are clearly proofs. I don't think any (or an extremely minuscule, teeny, tiny number) business strike 61 Jeffersons were minted with such sharp details. You've got a proof set there.
I just spotted two very similar, but different coins. Could the similarities indicate that what was considered post mint damage might have been simply the terminal die state imparted at the mint? The "damage" behind Liberties ear, right of the bust and the top of R(I) on the reverse are of particular interest.
There's one other dead give away other thsn squared rims....notice the nickels color....how it has toned I coined the phrase cotton candy pastel colors which 1961 an 62 proof Jefferson nickels are famous for.....I've never seen it on any other unc. Or proofs besides these two dates. Now you see these colors on the op coin on high points and a different darker tone in the fields. This was caused by switching the coins repckaging in paper that caused the darker tones.
Yep, clearly Proof. My mind has been on other things lately, than coins. I saw us mint Philly, and didn't do my homework.
This one came in today. I was amazed to have been the only bidder on it. I'm not going to post the exact price here, as I may want to use it in the Holder Premium Thread. But rest assured it was under $50.00.
Relocating further discussion to the 'Attribute This' thread where I intended to post this. I apologize to those looking for 'Under $50 purchases.'