misprinted $20

I have a 1990 $20.00 bill. On the back of the bill it looks as though the ink bled through. I know it's from where the machine starts stamping ink before the paper is added. the ink on the back covers approx 80%. Anyone know what it may be worth?

 

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Welcome starlite, could you post some pictures so that some of the members in here could better determine the error and give you an idea of the value.

John

 

yes pics would be MOST helpfull!

alot of times when notes are printed and then stacked, wet ink for one note might leave a negative impression on the not beneath. Is the ink you see part of the image, or just a smear that apears at the edge of the note?

but to be the most helpful, as johndo mentioned, pics pics pics

 

Hummmmmmm let's see if anyone has suggested PIC's for crying out loud!!!!
Pics. Pics, Pic's tell a better story......I think that it has been requested...

I'll take an extra helping of PIC's please!!


RickieB

 

I want pictures too. Sounds like an error, but to help with value we'll need, well you know.

Phoenix

 

Why hasen't anyone suggested that they supply pics?

Ziggy

 

pics of $20

The image from my camera was too large to upload to this site. However you can see the pics on myspace.

myspace.com/starlite0131

 

oh brother.. u up'd it to myspace... ungh! ... maybe try a file sharing site, fileden or any of them other picture hosting sites. would it fit in the gallery ?

 

wow.. a dup post ... how'd that happen

 

Try this

 

wow that is real nice and the oppisite side is quite strong which adds to the value

did you just find it or was it a few years ago becuase it is also hard to find notes that old

 

Ive got a $50 very similar. Got it about 20 years ago.

Nice Twenty, great find.

 

look at the fainted image ... its in reverse. this prolly happened when a wet note was set on top of another note. the image was then transffered. Its not really an error that i know of. interesting, but i dont think its considered an error...
Clembo? RickieB? what r ur thoughts?

 

True misprint

No, it is a misprint. Each sheet is inserted then the ink comes down and stamps it. The ink stamped the bottom of the machine before the sheet went in then when the sheet was inserted and stamped it gave the inpression that the ink bled through.
I found this bill about 15-16 years ago and at that time I had someone look at it. The best he could find was that it was worth at least $90. over face value.

 

This is a partial offset (partial only because it's not a complete image, part of the right side is missing). This is due to a folded page going through the press. Where there is no paper (due to the page being folded over) the image is transferred to the roll that provides counter pressure. Each subsequent page will receive a reverse image on the backside of the page. The image will fade with each subsequent page and eventually fade away (I'm going from memory, but I believe it was only about 20 to 50 notes that will receive an offset before it fades to the point of no premium).

OP's note is not one of the first couple notes to receive the offset, but it is close. The image is nice and strong. There is a pretty good premium for these, but I don't know the current going rate.

 

Daggarjon, current printing technology uses DRY INTAGLIO printing. This means that the ink is pretty dry before the note is even printed. The BEP uses about 20 tons of pressure to transfer the image from the printing plate to the actual paper. Occasionally, you will find notes were some ink has transferred from one note to the next, but these notes will not be dramatic and it will only be the highest/thickest parts of the design. The most common example I've seen is a ghost image of the words "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" on the face of the note.

 

I'm thinking wet ink transfer so you pretty much nailed it.

Here's a clearer example and much newer at that. This one is back to front instead of front to back.


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0003-1.jpg

Yes, it is considered an error - a rather large one at that depending on severity. Can't venture to guess what the note posted might go for actually as that depends on buyer.
I did see one like the one I pictured on ebay with a starting bid of $500 quite some time ago. They are much rarer these days but do occur and have never been "common".

Think about it (everyone). When was the last time you saw one?

 

if it is a wet image transfer, how is that an error? its just an issue with stackign wet notes too soon. I can understand it not happening alot, and therfore having a value above face ... but WOW!

it just seems to me IMHO that its more damage then an error. That being said, just because it looks so darned cool, i would love to find one incirculation Apparently, i wouldnt be able to buy one based on the estimated value

 

I don't know that it's a transfer. The ink on the back matches perfectly to the front. If you were to hold the bill you could see that the ink was caused from a stamp. You can see were the pressure caused a slight raise were the ink is on the back of the bill.

 

yes, the alignment isnt in question (that just means the mint did an excellent job alinging the paper to the presses) but the image is in reverse... a stamped error like you talking about, the image wouldnt be in reverse.

i confuse myself everytime i try to think it through lol