Post and explain your "out of the ordinary" circulated US issue(s) or varieties

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Cherrypickers might value this coin at $600, but I facilitated the sale of a VG10 earlier this year for thousands of dollars. I just found this one for myself. It's only the 2nd one I've ever personally found/picked. Been looking at every 1852 3cs I can find for 5 years, and have found just 2. Both polished, unfortunately.
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    1852 over inverted date!
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  3. PennyloverChey

    PennyloverChey New Member

    1520771954154712313256.jpg 1934 silver or steel or something wheat penny. Don't know what is up with my penny it weighs 3.11 grams (same as a standard penny) when I first got it my friend scratched it to see if it was painted but it seems to be solid whatever metal it is. It does have a Freemason stamp on it on top of being a weird penny .can't find any thing online about 1934 pennys made like this , I've been trying to figure out some information for a long time View attachment 750946 "p
     

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  4. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member


    CBD, could you explain a bit more about why this coin and issue are special or unusual, please? Is it the date and issue or or 1852 over inverted date? Frankly, I don't even know what that means. Explanation, please? thanks.
     
  5. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Here's a thread link about the other one I found. Thought it was 4 years ago, but it was 3.

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/two-cherrypicks-ive-never-found-until-now.260553/

    There's not a lot of info about it out there. VERY few are straight graded. But an inverted 2 digit was struck, then the proper 1 digit struck over it. NGC describes it as the rarest variety for 1852. Bottom line: No one has seen the NGC MS61 example since it was certified. I have seen the PCGS VF35 example and have handled the PCGS VG10 example, which traded privately in November for thousands. They just aren't out there. Like I said, I've been looking at every 1852 3 cent silver for about 5 years trying to find them. And I've now found 2, both polished. @Paddy54
     
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  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Also, there is only 1 currently on the market, and it's the first one I found... a PCGS AU details. I sold it for $600 before I knew the market value. The dealer that bought it from me has it listed for $7,500.:jawdrop:
     
  7. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    I get everything you're saying but it should not be that rare. There were 18 million 52s struck and only 125 obverse dies were used ( if I'm remebering Flymn and Zack correctly, might be 118).
     
  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Yes, but the inverted letter die may have only been an 1851 die repurposed. We just don't know. I think there are less than a dozen of these known.
     
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  9. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    for that date it lies to the right of the building.
     
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  10. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    In those days a penny would buy a drink in a tavern.
     
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  11. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    That guarantee is the reason that we discovered that the fakers are also faking the slabs. They put a fake coin in a fake slab and many people accept that as gospel.
    Some people spotted that the coins were fake and demanded TPG refunds. They did not get them because those slabs were also fake.
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Most unlikely, much more likely is the overdate was quickly noticed and the die pulled from use. In general you don't alter a die that is already been hardened and used.
     
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  13. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    If so, they must have been exceedingly quick about pulling the die. Worthy of more research for sure, but there are so few examples to study!
     
  14. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    OK.. Flynn & Zach (The Authoritative Reference on Three Cent Silver Coins, 2010) says

    109 obverse dies (so much for memory)

    1852 RPD-005 is the invert of which the highest grade they've seen is the XF40 photographed for the book.


    Also (https://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/104.html)

    (last sentence)

    Somewhere I have a copy of the photos of the 3cs pages that Roger(?) posted
     
  15. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Does this mean the authors of the book did not take the NGC MS61 into account? I mean, the photos are on their website...
     
  16. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Have to check the date on the photos too. But that's what the 2010 book says. What's the URL?
     
  17. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  18. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    All I can guess is that photo became available after the book was published.
     
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  19. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I'd love to just see the coin in hand. But whomever found it and submitted it has not come forward.
     
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  20. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    @C-B-D I just won a 1852 in MS65. I checked for the re-punched "1", no dice. Mine is not one of them.
     
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  21. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I saw a nice 65 in an old NGC holder pop up on eBay yesterday or maybe this a.m.
     
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