What do you grade this 1922 Weak D Lincoln Wheat Cent?

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  1. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I don’t see any wear on this coin. I think it’s a solid MS62 or 63 as long as the surfaces are original. It has a very “oily” look to it in the photos...almost as if it has been laquered. However that could be the lighting.

    If the surfaces are clean. I’m putting it in the 62/63 range. If not MS details.
     
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  3. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    AU55. I think I see rub and circulation nicks. Also not sure about the color.
    (I'm not a copper guy. Just interested in seeing what a slab company calls it, considering the variety of opinions.)
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am pretty sure that most of the marks you are indicating? Are the result of metal flow coming from a coin that has, a late die stage indirect die transfer. This is not only more than acceptable, but is looked for to identify the variety. If you are talking about the scratches, wear, most likely bag marks, and some circulation marks. They fully fit into the AU - Slider category
    This is one of those coins that you have to understand the variety before you can begin to apply a grade.
     
  5. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    What ever, the marks I made show where the coin has received nicks and wear from circulation. I’ve been doing Lincolns for a minute or so so I kinda know what they look like. I collect circulated brown Lincolns and that’s what I see.
    Reed and a bewildered Sparkles the Unicorn
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    This one is where the fun lies, I'd like to think that the marks are thoroughly toned over, and most of what you pointed out are bag marks. The coin will be sent in for grading, I think this would look good in a NGC slab.
     
  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I see luster and surface rub on the high points of the cheek etc. I’m at 55 but 58 wouldn’t surprise me either. I think it’s a very lightly circulated au me I’m a pcgs fan
     
  8. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    I can't grade a Lincoln to save my life, especially not a 22-D.

    But having taken a few correspondence courses at the Ed Wood School of grading (until my tablet broke), I'll say it's a VF-62, and and a fine one at that!

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  9. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    Agreed - the obverse is much nicer than the reverse - maybe the coin has received a recent Vaseline rub :cool:
     
  10. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    The thing I first noticed was the full luster, so I went from there. I saw a couple points of discoloration on high points of the obverse that I took to mean wear, but it is impossible to tell from pictures.

    As for MS-62, there are several significant and distracting marks that keep it out of 63 territory, imo.

    I was told by Bill Fivaz than when graders get a coin, the first thing they look for is luster. If a coin is lustrous and the details are poor, it is a high grade with a weak strike. If the details are poor and the luster is broken or not present, the coin is a lower grade.
     
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  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    You are confusing strike weakness with wear.
     
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  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Sorry it took me so long to wander in. I spent most of the weekend integrating an Ubuntu server into my home network and doing a lot of "catch up" reading on Unix programs and commands. It's been 29 years since I used Unix command line on a daily basis, so a lot faded. I still need a manual.

    Okay, I like the 1922 Weak D cent at MS61BN or MS62BN. I see a weak strike (weak D, no kidding, right?) and a few too many prime focal area dings for a higher MS grade, but I see no wear per se. I see the "oiliness" that screams VerdiCare, but I don't know how graders treat that. My opinion is that it should NOT cause a details grade, especially if it's an old treatment. But what do I know? I happen to like the VerdiCare look.

    I believe the areas circled by Reed are indicative of unstruck areas. Here's why I say that. The circled areas are loaded with nicks, and the struck areas right near them are clean. The nicked up areas are pre-struck condition of the planchet.
     
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  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

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  15. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    I would say it’s a 55 weakly struck by worn, tired dies.
     
  16. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Results are in. PCGS MS63
     
  17. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    So, the guesses were between VF25 and MS63. Crazy coin indeed.
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yo missed othe F in OF
     
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  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Ms 63. Wow. Did they look at the reverse Large O
     
  20. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I'm assuming that each grader looked at both sides of the coin before grading it.
     
  21. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    Wow! I just don't see it graded that high.
     
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