Chinese fake STILL on eBay

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Marshall, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I went ahead and purchased this from the seller after realizing I had made a mistake. By doing so I have assumed the risk of purchasing either a S-85 or a fake which I still suspect. But it gets it off the market while I research it further.

    I hope this is the appropriate action in a case where I may have made a mistake calling it a fake.
     
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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Hats off to you for putting your money where your mouth is. Let us know. This type of info is invaluable.
     
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  4. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    Bring your favorite counterfeits or Modern Forgeries to Whitman Baltimore. I will try to attend the EAC/C4 Meetings in March 2018. We can hook up there or on the bourse. Most dealers know me. John Lorenzo.
     
  5. ronnie58

    ronnie58 Active Member

    I reported a fake 1794 last night (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/302640968881) but how do you go about actually getting it removed?
    Upon getting the report eBay would have to go into research mode. Is there an inside track that can be accessed/ notified at the same time to speed things up?
    That auction ends very soon and the bidding is over $1K.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    That's either an impressive S-44 or an impressive Fake. It matches all the diagnostics I would look for other than being too sharply struck for presses of that era.
     
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  7. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is what my S-85 looks like:
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  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Ronnie58, are you sure it is a fake? We have documented a couple of S-44 fakes but both had the die breaks tooled away.

    Can you tell me the "tells" about this one that indicate a counterfeit?
     
  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Interesting. The same seller also has a mule of an 1802 obverse with a great reverse of the 1803 S-265 in a late die state. I believe the obverse is supposed to be S-236.


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1802-1C-BN...975028?hash=item4676ceccb4:g:F64AAOSwImRahxrN
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2018
  10. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

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  12. ronnie58

    ronnie58 Active Member

    Thank you for the quick answer, Jack. You and others here are light-years ahead with the knowledge and diagnostics.
    But I thought that this one was a no-brainer due to the pole touching the denticles, the protruding nose tip and lips, and finally that the confluence of ribbon/stems do not match the Head of '93 obverse that this appears to be an attempt at.
     
  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I was looking at breaks in the leaves. But now the differences are stark and definitely different. I guess I just had the S-265 in my mind because I recently purchased one after researching it.
     
  14. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Head of '94 ronnie58:

    s-44.jpg
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    False alarms like these are probably why they don’t take action quickly.
     
  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I apologize for posting too quickly yesterday. I was trying to squeeze in a thorough search into a 15 minute window and it obviously failed. I will wait from now on until I have the time to do a better analysis.
     
  17. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I believe the note was in regards to the 1794 S-44, but I could be wrong!

    I didn't report the S-44 to the ebay group because I couldn't find anything obviously wrong from the image.
     
  18. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    It was actually about the S-236 which I thought I recognized as the S-265 Reverse without using my comp photos.

    I'm still not sure about the S-85, but I took care of it anyway. It's no longer on the market.
     
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  19. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I take it these "S" numbers stand for Sheldon.
     
  20. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Yes. I've never used the Breen numbering system, even though his work on coins contains a lot of outstanding information. Outside of coins, not so much.
     
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