1972 Philadelphia DDO?

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  1. McCann

    McCann Active Member

    Good evening everyone,DDO?

    McCann






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  3. Rick Stachowski

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    Best Answer
    1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

    Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

    Submitted By: John A. Wexler

    Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

    Values: No extra value!!!

    Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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  4. Willysilver

    Willysilver HEADS UP

    Tough call ask paddy man hes good at those
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Haha.. I am not a Doubled Die fan or do I like to attribute them. But thanks anyway.
     
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  6. McCann

    McCann Active Member

    So maybe a yes.I'll try to match it to Wexlers guide.

    Thanks
    McCann
     
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I never said maybe yes :stop:

    @Rick Stachowski is better at Doubled Die attribution
     
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  8. McCann

    McCann Active Member

    Thanks,Rick gave me tips on my camera setup and on my 2015 cent.
     
  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Best Answer
    1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

    Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

    Submitted By: John A. Wexler

    Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

    Values: No extra value!!!

    Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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  10. Willysilver

    Willysilver HEADS UP

    Best answer ever
     
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  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    For everyone That like to collect varieties .
    Here's the image I used for the MDO .
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  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    And here is where you got "your" exact copy/paste job "best answer" response. You know, the one you didn't bother to give the man responsible - John Wexler - credit for.

    http://doubleddie.com/384301.html
     
  13. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital


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  14. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Actually, it shows exactly "Submitted By: John A. Wexler" in both posts.
     
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  15. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Now open the link and see why this is. Be sure to pay close attention to the "SUBMITTED by" in other listings, or maybe just define the word "submitted".
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    You do realize that when you do this you're supposed to cite your source, right?
     
  17. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    The Cross-References are also listed in the post .
    Give it up .......
     
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  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    More deflective nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue here.

    Seriously, what is so hard about simply giving the man credit for his work instead of posting it as if your own?


    Oh, and @PlanoSteve... just in case you're unfamiliar, Mr. Wexler gives credit to those who have submitted listed coins to him and/or to the discoverer. In this case he was simply acknowledging the fact that the coin belongs to him. It should go without saying that the photos and written details do as well.
     
  19. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital



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  20. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    You're a class act, Rick.

    It's okay though. If you can't give credit to the man largely responsible for your ability to play expert, I'll be more than happy to do it for you.
     
  21. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    You mean your issue .
    Who cares what you think ....

    You don't collect varieties, so more on TROLL ....
    AND YES, YOUR ACTING LIKE A TROLL ...
     
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