Have I just found myself a 1969-S DDO?

AH THE MAGIC IGNORE BUTTON HAS BEEN EMPLOYED! BYE BYE.

 

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I lost you? Perhaps you're oblivious, but you've made little sense throughout this thread, and was only exacerbated by the fact you felt the need to repeatedly quote yourself while insisting upon switching the subject back and forth. Hell, the quote above had to be fished out from an earlier one of mine simply because you couldn't even make the effort to properly post your response. Enough is enough.

You've already successfully managed to alienate a number of the most helpful members in your apparent area of interest, and for what? Unless your next response is halfway intelligent and reasonable, I'm done with you and would respectfully urge others do the same.

Best of luck with your numismatic endeavors, sir.

 

I'll start with a suggestion that you will find very helpful if you decide to follow the advice. Instead of posting that people still haven't answered your questions, just ask the question again. At this point I sincerely do not know what your question is.

In regards to the coins you have posted, you have received many answers, they are MD and not the result of a doubled die.

To your question about 'shift' versus 'rotation', and the nice images you have provided, the shift is impossible on a coin. The only thing that can ever happen is the rotation. Now, the difficult part is that the rotation can occur in two different and distinct ways, but both ways leave very similar results on coins. Again, I would ask that you go read this post for a detailed explanation, then come back and post specific questions to anything you don't understand:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-elusive-69-s-i-found-in-circulation.308903/

Lastly, to the point about Linconl's nose not having doubling on the 69-s DDO1, that's not exactly true. The doubling comes from the hub being pressed into the die twice with a small rotational difference between the pressings. This small rotational difference leads to larger linear separation on device elements further from the center, and smaller linear separation on elements closer to the center. This can be see in the words LIBERTY, and in the date. The 1 in the date has less separation than the 9. Likewise, the L in LIBERTY has more seperation than the Y. Again, this also accounts for the exact same linear separation on all words in IN GOD WE TRUST, they are equidistant from the axis of hub rotation. You still with me? The nose is close to the hub axis, so the doubling is just too small to see, and is obstructed by the multiple strikes in a way that letters and numbers aren't. So it's not that the nose isn't doubled, it's just that the doubling is not visible.

 

What are you talking about? Take a look at the nose ( pic's from the PCGS website)

 

Mr wagger don't feel bad, I agree with you. New discoveries come out everyday and different varieties. You cant always capture on a posted image the fine details or the doubling you may can see at home under a mi roscrope or something. People are quick to automatically assume not because unfortunately that is the case, but there is nothing wrong with being optimistic if you ask me. I have a 1969s that I believe is a ddo that some say is not but i wont let it go. If you feel it is the magic 1969s ddo submit it for professional grading. Good luck

 

Nice! Or you can refer to my drawing to visualize what you are trying to explain, in a way that would be less confusing, grammatically speaking. One contrasting point, however, would be that the nose is clearly visible on my digital drawing.

 

Is the above a remotely "intelligent and reasonable" response? This was key, but instead of making a serious attempt, you post worthless photos without even attempting to make a point.

Bye.

 

But I am not here defending that my coin is a DDO. I am only empowering the crazy bobbin of comments which threaded out of it, nonsense.

 

And I really don't feel bad at all.

 

Mr. Waggers, what don't you understand about my post? You alternate between vague, open ended questions and complaining that no one is answering your questions. What is your question, I am not a mind reader...

In regards to your digital rendering and the clear doubling of the nose, it has significantly more rotational separation between impressions than a 69-s DDO1, which is exaggerating the nose doubling. Second, your rendering is using shading to show the doubling, which makes it very obvious where there is overlap in the image and where there is not. This is great as a mental model of hub doubling, but is not an accurate representation of how the die, or coin, actually appears. When two letters are pressed onto the die with a slightly different angle, the incused marks overlap in a very obvious way. However, when the entire bust is pressed twice with a slight rotational difference between, the doubling is much more subtle. There is no overlap of image to catch your eye, but I assure you there is a double impression. It's just very, very slight due to the smaller linear distance between the two images.

Look at the date on a 69-S DDO1.



Do you see how the distance between the last 9s double images is larger than the distance between the two 1s? That's a function of the 9s being further away from the axis of rotation, the center of the coin, than the 1 is, and the nose is about half as far away from the center as the 1s are. Like two bike wheels with different circumferences, say 4 feet and 8 feet. When you turn them both 90 degrees the small wheel goes 1 foot and the big wheel goes 2 feet, they have a different linear distance even though they have the same rotational distance. The same thing is occurring with the nose, it's closer to the center of the coin, and thus has a smaller linear distance between the doubled images, even smaller than the 1 in the date. It's not zero doubling, but it's very very slight. This effect, combined with the different way large design elements double in general, causes there to be very little, or very subtle, actual doubling on the nose.

 

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not intend this to be condescending, but it comes across that way. Do it again and the doubt, as well as my attention, will be gone.

 

Because, as was mentioned, too many people do not want to do any effort to study what they might have, they just want someone to tell them they are rich. No continued study or interest, just tell me I found a rare coin. Then a week later they ask the same question about another coin. It gets old, and unfortunately it is pervasive in our society. Then, when several people tell them that what they have is common and not valuable, they think everyone on here doesn't know what they are talking about, and must be trying to steal their millions. Once in a while you find someone that admits that they don't know, and are grateful for the help several people have graciously offered gratis.