Are these denarii fake?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by gogili1977, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    I think they're from the studio Dr. Ilya Prokopov.
    1. Julia Titi, 20 mm, 3.5 gr, 300 eur
    Julia Titi A.png
    Julia Titi C.png Julia Titi B.png
    2. Julia Domna, 3,2 gr, 17 mm, 200 eur
    Julia Domna A.png Julia Domna B.png
    3. Septimius Severus, 3 gr, 17 mm, 100 eur
    Septimius A.png Septimius B.png
    4. Paulina, 3 gr, 18 mm, 200 eur.
    Paulina A.png Paulina B.png
    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2018
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  3. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    The Julia Titi , the Julia Domna and the Septimius are all fake, Couldn't find the Paulina, check out Forum Ancient Coins -- fake reports
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The first three are modern struck forgeries. The Julia Titi is way off in terms of style but the Julia Domna and the Septimius Severus dynastic issues are very, very similar in style to genuine examples. They are a little too perfect, however, in terms of centering, strike and circularity of flan.

    The Paulina has me worried now, because it's a die match to one I bought from a reputable dealer as a genuine Paulina:

    Paulina.jpg

    They are either both genuine or both fake. Mine appears to have circulation wear.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I can echo the thoughts here on the first three: Fake! If the last came from the same source, I would assume fake as well. Guilt by association.
     
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  6. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Probably that is why it is always safer to get these coins via reputable auction houses like Kunker/CNG/Stacks/Spink.....or a reputable coin dealer. E-bay takes the cake for outright fakes, esp. ones sources from China/Russia/ Eastern Bloc Countries.
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The Paulina is also a die match to this one sold by Lanz at acsearchinfo:

    Paulina Lanz.jpg

    Lanz has sold many of these coins from various dies. I suspect it was a hoard find.
     
  8. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    How does it compare to this one?

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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Looks like a die-match, too.
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The one Martin posted is in the Forum Fakes gallery.
     
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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    :(
     
  12. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    they don't look right
     
  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I know it is but didn't want to prejudice the discussion with my opinion.
     
  14. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    The following coins are also from the same vendor, probably all the fakes.
    Geta 3,1 gr, 17 mm, 40 eur
    Geta A.png Geta B.png
    Maximian 4,6 gr, 20 mm, 600 eur
    Maximian A.png Maximian B.png
    Probus 6,2 gr, 21 mm, 800 eur
    Probus A.png Probus B.png
    Justin II, 4,5 gr, 20 mm, 300 eur
    Justin A.png Justin B.png
    Soaemias 3,1 gr, 17 mm, 60 eur
    Soemias A.png Soemias B.png
     
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  15. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Another five:
    Plautilla 3,4 gr, 18 mm, 60 eur
    PLautila 2 A.png PLautila 2 B.png
    Plautilla 3,2 gr, 17 mm, 60 eur
    Plautila 1 A.png Plautila 1 B.png
    Julia Domna 3 gr, 16 mm, 60 eur
    Julia Domna 1 A.png Julia Domna 1 B.png
    Paula 3,2 gr, 17 mm, 50 eur
    Paula A.png Paula B.png
    Maesa 3 gr, 18 mm, 40 eur
    Maesa A.png Maesa B.png
     
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  16. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Another five:
    Trajan 2,8 gr, 18 mm, 60 eur
    Trajan 1 A.png Trajan 1 B.png
    Septimius 2,7 gr, 17 mm, 60 eur
    Septimius 2 A.png Septimius 2 B.png
    Septimius 2,7 gr, 16 mm, 50 eur
    Septimius 1 A.png Septimius 1 B.png
    Faustina 2,7 gr, 18 mm, 40 eur
    Faustina A.png Faustina B.png
    Crispina 3,2 gr, 18 mm, 50 eur
    Crispina A.png Crispina B.png
    From the same seller.
     
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  17. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Last five fakes for avoiding:
    Hadrijan 3gr, 18 mm, 60 eur
    Hadrijan 3 A.png Hadrijan 3 B.png
    Hadrijan 2.8 gr, 18 mm, 60 eur
    Hadrijan 2 B.png
    Hadrijan 2,4 gr, 18 mm, 60 eur
    Hadrijan 1 A.png Hadrijan 1 B.png
    Trajan 3,2 gr, 16 mm, 60 eur
    Trajan 2 A.png Trajan 2 B.png
    Trajan 3,3 gr, 18 mm, 60 eur
    Trajan 3 A.png Trajan 3 B.png
     

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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    What dealer is selling these so that the firm can be avoided?
     
  19. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    This is offered to me privately from a salesman from Zagreb, Croatia. I do not know if he sells to ebay or any other place.
     
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