Clouding on Proof Silver Coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JCro57, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't doubt your word for a minute Kurt. All I was doing was relating my personal experiences. And there have been millions of coins dipped in EZest, as well as several other dips, and nobody can tell they were dipped either.
     
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  3. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    I always found MS70 really effective for this, though if the formula has changed I don’t know which version I was using.

    More recently I’ve been using a sodium hydroxide solution, of about the strength people use for making pretzels. The thought was that NaOH isn’t that different from KOH (one of the ingredients in MS70) and that I’d rather expose a coin to one agent than several if the result is the same. I’m certainly not urging this treatment on the OP, but if there are any other mad experimenters about with hazy 1970s proofs - well, it’s working as well as MS70 did for me.
     
  4. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure they claim it hasn't, but I swear it seemed a little stronger a couple years ago.
     
  5. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    ... or were coins just more, ohhhh, co-operative back then?
     
  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Forget dipping or cleaning. Just buy a better coin, one that doesn't show what you're describing.
     
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  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    WELL SAID, but as I casually peruse "brown Ikes", I'm finding "clean" ones harder and harder to find. I don't know what this means exactly, but it seems that the 1974's are the toughest to find without haze. I might have suspected the opposite. Whatever is its proximate cause, they seem to have beaten it for the bi-centennial 3-coin set.
     
  8. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    Usually I agree with this sort of advice, but this seems to me a special case where the cure is particularly easy and reliable, so I don’t see a downside. (If I could get the same consistency of results with Ezest on ordinary tarnish, I’d be a genius.) YMMV of course.
     
  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I thought it was "Verdi-Care" that had been noteworthy for fundamentally changing its formula, or am I mis-remembering?
     
  10. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    I’ve heard it said about MS70 before now, but not about Verdi-Care. But this is more a gauge of which random rumors have made it down here to south Texas, than anything else...
     
  11. Bman33

    Bman33 Well-Known Member

    In my area non blue haze are not available. I have looked through tons. I have 2 73's that have a groovy blue tone to them though.
     
  12. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Entirely possible that’s part of it.

    Did they? I’ve never really paid attention to that one. I don’t like having to do anything to copper
     
  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    It's a Pennsylvania thing. Copper has ALWAYS done well here, unlike western states. The soil here is "rotten with" copper coins, both pre-federal and since. Just about EVERY serious metal detector I know has found a three-digit number of early coppers. Most need some tending to.
     
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  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Jus' sayin'. So far, New England WHO????
     
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  15. Bman33

    Bman33 Well-Known Member

    Han Solo Trailer!
     
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  16. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    If I lived around there I’d probably spend a little time metal detecting too
     
  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I haven't pulled that particular trigger yet. I may when I retire.
     
  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Boy is Amendola a punk jerk, or what? I ordered my Nick Foles #9 Super Bowl LII jersey just as the game began, and I'm loving that the urge hit me.
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thad's ( Badthad is his member name ) first product was Verdi-Gone, his second product was Verdi-Care - and yes the formula changed. But neither one is a coin dip, neither one has any effect all on toning. Verdi-Care has one specific purpose - to remove verdigris - and that's all it does.

    Now I have no idea if MS70 changed their formula or not. But MS70 is not a coin dip, at least not in the general sense of the term. I would describe it as being a very mild solution, one that only works on the beginning stages of toning - specifically haze. Once toning has developed beyond that MS70 has no really discernible effect on it at all.

    But I wonder if what you and others are thinking of is a product called Blue Ribbon. That product they did quit making, changed the formula and then called it Coin Care. But neither one of those were a coin dip either, and neither one has any effect on toning.
     
  20. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Did you try Scotch? If you haven't any, you can make it. When you're all done, you can drink what's left. Here's how...

     
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  21. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Okay. but what IS Coin Care used for? BTW, we, especially on THIS site, and almost nowhere else I ever get to, are in SERIOUS danger of overusing the word "dip", and ruining its informative usefulness for that reason. In the general parlance of this field, NONE of the following are "dip""

    Verdi-anything
    MS70
    and ESPECIALLY not acetone



    What IS dip?

    Thiourea plus an acid, a solution intended to remove sulfides from the surface of silver, PERIOD.

    And somebody please pass me a facial tissue, not a Kleenex.
     
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