Just Found-Close Centered Double Strike

I found this CCDS in a 1984 original bank roll. This coin could grade MS66 or higher. My opinion is it will grade higher.

 

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That's a double-strike? It looks almost like a die clash... but Lincoln isn't inverted on the reverse! Most unusual! I've never heard of this type of error.

 

My reference is the Official Price Guide to Mint Errors by Alan Herbert. In case you didn't know, a Double Strike is not a Double Die, and this may cause some confusion for some people. It is listed in this book as III-L-1

 

That's a very nice die clash.

Lou

 

I do believe a die clash will show part of the design on one side of the coin only, but a doubled strike will show design elements on both sides like the coin pictured. Can anyone clarify this?

 

Thats the nicest die clash I have ever seen. You can read the end of Liberty through the memeorial columns. I don't know why I find these so interesting, but lately I find myself looking for these. Great find! Is there a market for these? Mike

 

I'm pretty sure that this would be called a die clash. Wait around and see what Mike has to say on the topic.

Speedy

 

I see parts on both sides.
And, I believe that it is a very early die state clash.
Years ago they were sold as 'prisoner' cents. (Looks like Abe is behind bars.).

 

definately a die clash. one of the nicest i've seen too!

Richard

 

The coin picture definitely deserves further scrutiny by Mike Diamond or someone else at Coneca, Copper Coins or Coin World! I looks like a possible flip-over double Strike on the Obverse with a possible Brockage on the Reverse. However, it could be some sort of double *Counter Die Clash on the Obverse (as the Memorial Columns showing on the Obverse are definitely doubled) with a single Die *Clash on the Reverse. It is an odd one that may be worth a very high premium!


Frank

* Note: A Die Clash is incuse on the coin while a Counter Die Clash is obtuse.

 

I too own Mr. Herbert's book. Great read! He's also very helpful when you ask him questions via e-mail. Your coin is interesting to me because it shows the characteristics of a die clash, not a double strike, however the image of Lincoln is backwards on the reverse (in relation to a normal clash). In a normal clash, Lincoln's bust should appear upside down, inverted and incuse, but in your's it appears to be just upside down and incuse. My first though it some type of brockage or counter clash perhaps. I would reccomend sending an e-mail to Mike Byers, or send it to Alan Herber's e-mail (I'd rather not post it here, but it's in the back of the price guide to mint errors).

Please post again and let us know what they tell you (if you decide to e-mail). Nice find!

 

By the way, if it were a standard in-collar double strike, the Lincoln on the reverse and memorial on the obverse would be raised, not incused.

 

sounds like you found something big! pretty neat looking.

 

BigH,

Lincoln's image on the Reverse is definitely incuse but the Lincoln Memorial images on the Obverse appear obtuse to me!


Frank

 

I will be posting more pictures. I know it is difficult to tell in my pics, but the clashed design on the reverse is in relief and not stamped into the coins. I emailed CONECA with the pics, and I will send them more.

I thank everyone for their input so far.

 

The thing that bothers me about the coin, is that it appears that the bottom portion of the Lincoln Memorial (base and steps) runs right-side up through the middle of Lincoln's head with the Columns below the base! Now, either there was a lot of Clashing and Counter Clashing going on with the Dies or multiple mis-placed Strikes or some really ingenious Post Mint manipulation.


Frank

 

Hi

Huntsman53
"The thing that bothers me about the coin, is that it appears that the bottom portion of the Lincoln Memorial (base and steps) runs right-side up through the middle of Lincoln's head with the Columns below the base! Now, either there was a lot of Clashing and Counter Clashing going on with the Dies or multiple mis-placed Strikes or some really ingenious Post Mint manipulation."

The line through Lincoln's forehead is the base of the memorial and the line thgrough his chest is the roof line. You can see the step down of the roof line behind his back. This is how it should show for a clash as the reverse image would be inverted from the obverse.



"Lincoln's image on the Reverse is definitely incuse but the Lincoln Memorial images on the Obverse appear obtuse to me!"

The image on the obverse looks obtuse because you are actually looking at the voids between the columns

I am anxious to hear what CONECA says about this coin.

Richard

 

Here are some more pictures of the reverse. As you can see Lincoln's outline is not incuse. You can also see a Y in between one of the columns of the second picture. The picture didn't turn out the best, but you can plainly see the Y with the naked eye.

 

There is no doubt that this is a relatively strong die clash. It's actually a double clash, since the columns of the Memorial are slightly doubled. Multiple die clashes are fairly common.

 

I don't understand common in this context. The mintage on this date and mint is 8,151,079,000 and it is apparent that only a small fraction have die clashes. So, just what numbers are we talking here?