Plus grades (ex: MS66+) from PCGS

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JCro57, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    When trying to figure out prices for plus grades, if there isn't a price listed in Heritage or Grey Sheet recorded, is it standard that the price is generally split between the difference of the 2 grades?

    So if MS66 is $1,000 and MS67 is $9,000, is it safe to assume MS66+ would be about $5,000? (Subtracting the 66 from 67, then dividing by 2)
     
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  3. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I would strongly suggest that the price be closer to the 66 price than that of the 67. This is all obviously gonna be on a coin by coin basis.
    This comes up all the time, with grades that arent listed in the greysheet. Auction results are normally your best friend in these situations, but again I can't stress enough to you about the importance of the actual coin itself, your bidding on/haggling over
     
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  4. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    It honesty depends on the coin. The wider the price gap between grades the more it probably will creep towards the higher grade price especially if it has a CAC as well, but there isn't going to be a general rule for it. Some will get closer to the higher grade than others
     
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  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Forgot to mention, there are collectors who would prefer the lower + grade over a next grade up coin that just barely made the grade and is on the low end of the grade
     
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  6. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Ok. So I won an auction at Great Collections. It was an MS66+ Full Step 1945-D nickel. The last one that sold on Heritage was $65, but it had very dark toning spots on the reverse and several marks on the reverse. The one I won I paid $97 (this includes buyer's premium amd shippin), and it looks to be very nice for the grade; nicer than others sold at MS66+ and the most recent MS67, which at Heritage last sold for $228. Again my coin looks to be far better than the MS67. I think I did OK.

    Here is the coin I bought
    https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/540421/1945-D-Jefferson-Nickel-PCGS-MS-66-FS
     
  7. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    Since there are no free access guides that list + grades, CAC grades, etc., here's what I do....

    Heritage has a "Guides" section on almost all of their listings. I go to the "Resources" tab, click on Auction Archives, and then find the coin I'm looking for. It takes a minute or two, as the page reloads after every selection you choose, but eventually you get to the information you want.

    Here's the page for a 1945-D FS PCGS 66+ that sold on 1/10/18 - https://coins.ha.com/c/search-resul...4+3952+1582+3992&ic4=Refine-USCoinYear-102615

    If you aren't a member on Heritage, you may need to sign up (free) to see the selling price, but the guide prices should be visible (scroll down). It also gives you comps for the same coin in recent HA sales.
     
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  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    No, that is not a good assumption at all. In reality, the Plus means very little. It might get a small premium over the average grade, but not much. For example, if a 65 sells for $100 and a 66 sells for $1000, a 65+ might average $200. That's if the plus gets any discernable premium at all - which many times it doesn't.

    In reality, the plus is essentially meaningless.
     
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  9. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    There is also coinsociety.com's guide. It is based on ebay sales of graded (PCGS, NGC, ANACS) coins. It has prices for + grades, OGH, * grades, and others. It's not exact, and some prices are outdated or don't make sense, but it's a ton easier to navigate then doing the Heritage search I detailed above.
     
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  10. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I collect scarce date Gem condition coins, and dependent upon the coin type/date the market "value" may be found in the PCGS "price guides".

    I've established a general rule of 25% greater than the actual grade, and half the price of the next higher grade.

    An example is that a PCGS 1945S Micro S FB66 has a stated value of $1175, a FB66+ is $1600, where a FB67 is $3500.

    JMHO

    P.S.: Sorry for the previous omission of the FB66+ and value
     
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  11. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    I've never had a + coin not sticker. I bet they rarely don't sticker +'s. It's damn near a given unless the surfaces aren't fully original or it has massive negative eye appeal.
     
  12. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I’ve had a couple IKe + coins not sticker. The sticker rate on those is so miserable anyway that I can’t say I was surprised. I agree though I’d expect a large majority of + coins to sticker.
     
  13. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Well ikes are graded on a differnt curve. It's more about clean fields than clean cheeks. Maybe that has something to do with it. They see a few too many scuffs on the cheek and don't like it.
     
  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    CAC does not consider the plus at all when evaluating for the sticker. A 66 and a 66+ are both evaluated as a 66. The plus and the sticker theoretically mean different things, and so it is not surprising that plus coins may not sticker.
     
  15. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Same here. They don’t recognize it as a plus. So a 66+ to them is a 66 and a high end one so it stickers. I’ve also never gotten back a + in a submission
     
  16. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Very well could be. Ike’s are the one series where I have no clue what they want to see to get stickers. The sticker rate seems to be pretty low for them
     
  17. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I didn’t know they even stickered them
     
  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    A lot of people forget they do them
     
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