repaired patina tooling stripped smoothing patina ect

Coins goes in years and years from collection to collection.
last year men prefer natural of tooling. coins goes in differnce collection in all the years
every year have men his statement, i am happy it is all real

i am listing/ all the people like natural thats good and expensive

my coin could be ripped patina

example ripped commodus

tooling of smoothing, ripped, repaired patina, what do you not like

 

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Looks like a naturally worn coin to me. I don't think it has been tooled or repatinated.

 

Ro, I'm not certain if you are asking a question. I like your coin the way it is. I see no tooling.

 

my english is not good i give up/ i want a full topic about tooling smoothing and ripped coins and repairs platina coins

 

I like your coin and it could be the way it wore and then aged naturally over the years. Does not look smoothed or tooled.

I think most people are ok with removing deposits and corrosion that were not part of the coin when it left the mint (cleaning). Sometimes it goes a little farther and some of the surface of the coin may be sanded off (smoothing) which is not ok with most people. Re-engraving the real details or incorrect details is tooling, and most ancient coin collectors are against this because it obscures what the original coin looked like and replaces it with some modern person's idea of how it should look. Tooling should not be tolerated by people because we don't want to create a market for tooled (and pretty looking but false) coins that people would get busy filling.

 

I bought this coin on Marktplaats , its the highlight of all the things you mention, Ro
and thats why I bought it (cheap)to remind me of what bad things can be done to ancient coins.

stripped of its original patina , heavily tooled , fields smoothed , repatinated and on top this original bronze coin now looks made of silver.
even Hadrian looks unhappy now



And for your coin, I think the black ""patina"" on the obverse is of more recent times, otherwise a nice Sestertius.

 

I want to see what all this patina restoring stuff is all about so I'm going to experiment with some 'lost' coins from when I first started trying to clean some. I am looking forward to seeing what happens and how they look.

Have you tried Google Translate @ro1974 ? You can put in English and confirm whether it is correct against your primary language or you can put in your primary language and it will give you English.

 

Here’s a nicely tooled coin that just can’t seem to catch a break on eBay:

 

Here is a coin that has been completely stripped of patina by a previous owner because it was covered in some sort of nasty black corrosion. I actually prefer bronzes that need to be stripped be left like this instead of being painted and repatinated as they do eventually tone down with some patience.

 

OMG ! poor thing !

Q

 

for sale on eBay for just $ 1575 including a BS description , follow this link and read all about it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nero-s-Por...632062?hash=item41d868f7be:g:insAAOSwepZXS0lk

 

At first glance I would probably agree with you but the fact that CNG catalogued this coin as such would at least make me want to hear their side of it and why they believe this alteration is ancient instead of modern. @Ardatirion can you or anyone else shed some light on how this determination was made?

 

Here's one of mine that has been re-patinated. I only learned of it after sending it to be slabbed several years ago. If I had known of the alteration in the beginning—I would not have purchased the coin. I suppose that I could have sent it back to the dealer for a refund but I like the coin. I'm not thrilled about the applied patina however.

 

...an A-Z coin?..

 

Which patina is applied? The "desert patina" or the green patina? Looks natural to me. Nice coin!

 

thanks all/ coin is good, my topic was to talk about tooling ec, only not the good coin

 

Z—but in the man’s defense—this is the only one out of twenty or so coins that I purchased from him early in my AC collecting years that had an issue. All of the coins that I obtained from him in 2015 and 16 were successfully certified and slabbed. I realize that slabbing by one of the big three does not guarantee authenticity but these coins were common enough that the TPGs would have spotted any counterfeiting or tooling.

 

Good question, @Jay GT4 ! I assumed it was the desert patina but it could be the coppery green color also. I was thinking of removing it from the slab and giving it an acetone dip but decided to leave it alone.

 

The cataloger would only have thought it were an ancient alteration if the patina was natural and uniform throughout, which it appears from the image to be. We describe smoothing and tooling more religiously than maybe anyone in the business, and there's no reason for us to make up some BS to sell a $150 coin. In my opinion, the coin is accurately described, though I personally think the alteration is more akin to someone doodling or random graffiti than anything even semi official.

Here is the original listing:
https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=269659