Look what a seller on eBay neglected to mention

You didn’t buy a problem coin....

 

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My response? I would have returned it if you asked. Peace dollars and Franklins almost always have bag marks, gouges, and scratches, even in MS67+ grades. There are no distracting marks of those kind on her face or on the eagle. I would think you are picky. It is a stretch to say my description is inaccurate compared to what you can see on my high def photos, and you neglect to mention I said it has a fingerprint and that mark is in fact a print and not a scratch, gouge, or bag mark.

 

I would love for you or anyone else to show me a scratch, gouge, or bag mark on that coin that the coin community would say I misrepresented in my description.

 

I didn't neglect it. You've been so proud of pointing it out, it would have been redundant for me to mention it.

You didn't answer my question though. If I asked for a return, saying that the cheek has scratches that you didn't mention in your detailed description, what would you have said other then I can return it? The reason I'm asking is that you were shocked at the seller's response to you in your request for a return. Obviously I don't know what you asked him or said to him, but it seems as though you were expecting an admission of guilt from him. So I was wondering what you would have said to me had I said you hid the fact that there were light bag mark scratches on the cheek, when you specifically say there aren't any bag marks.

 

See my previous post...

 

When you SPECIFICALLY say there are no bag marks, but indeed there are marks most likely from coin-to-coin contact, you have indeed misrepresented your coin. You would have been better off not saying anything about the coin, and let your quality (and seriously, they're good) photos sell the coin for you.

When you give too much info, you're bound to miss something that you may consider trivial, or unimportant to the general community, but there are plenty of goofballs out there that would think otherwise.

Just like how some people don't mind fingerprints, and other hate them. Show the coin in it's best light, and keep quiet.

 

Those are bag marks, not to be confused with a condition of the planchet upon strike.

 

You described the strike as being sharp, it's no where near a sharp hammered strike. The grades fine but the strike is average at best

 

Exactly. If it was a problem coin PCGS would have put one of their 90 codes on it and a description of the problem. So, since it wasn't there, fingerprints are not considered a problem that would preclude a clean grade. They may lower the coins value, like ugly toning, but not give it a "details" grade.

 

I would ask you what your expectations were, especially since 4 of my 5 photos are high definition. And I guess I would have learned to better say no "major" marks on the face or eagle? There is a difference in making an error trying to be honest versus not disclosing something on purpose. I mean, I am glad many of you are clearly having fun with this, but I am finding it incredibly hard to take many of your comments seriously. To compare his listing or photos, or to the degree each of us went to be open about what we were listing? Do you honestly feel my description or photos are deceptive in any way for that Peace Dollar?

Honestly, I respect all of your thoughts, I welcome your take on things, and I am in no way angry about anyone's comments. I am not taking any of this personally. Also, I am not looking for sympathy nor am I trying to not take responsibility for not "seeing" something as a responsible buyer should.

I have been stuck with a coin like everyone else. I have not returned coins even though I could have from eBay. But come on. To say this guy wasn't intentionally trying to dump this coin with a big fingerprint on it on to a buyer who hopefully wouldn't notice is nonsensical.

 

I don't even know what to say to that. It's an MS-63.

 

Not at all. But I also don't see how the other seller's description could be misconstrued as being intentionally misleading.

 

So? There’s plenty of 63s with better strikes

 

How about a lack of one? How about saying the white marks aren't actually on the coin? Perhaps you are the seller :O

 

I guess I just do not understand that. I mean, I understand your comment. But if they were better strikes overall, why are they then the same grade?

 

Because strike is a tiny part of the grade or they have more hits or less eye appeal.

 

I guess I could do that. I would just be afraid of someone saying I purposely didn't point something out. I like to let people know what issues it might have up front. It is how I would like to be treated anyway. I guess that's why I am not in sales; I would starve to death.

 

Thank you, everyone. It is so nice that though I disagree on some things with some of you, we are all good people here. Everyone is nice and respectful in this forum. I truly believe this was productive for me.

 

Hopefully you’re starting to see why eBay sellers overwhelmingly describe nothing and let the picture speak. No matter what you say or how you say it people can find fault with it. It’s a no win for most sellers to have descriptions on eBay.

 

Take a look at the descriptions of the coins from the bigger/biggest sellers on ebay. The description of the coin is whether or not they accept returns, and other 'fine print' type of things. A coin is a coin. It doesn't have to be in 'working' condition, it just sits there looking pretty, so realistically, if the photos are good enough, that's really all you need. Lots of sellers say things like - "Quality photos so you can judge the coin / grade accurately for yourself". IMO, that's all you need.