Look what a seller on eBay neglected to mention

you're angry. i might be too, but let emotion fade and examine the situation rationally. You bought a PCGS MS65RD 1972 doubled die cent, you have a PCGS MS65RD doubled die cent. It's not a raw coin represented as BU that turned out to be cleaned, it's a slabbed coin graded by a top-tier TPG. It is as described by the seller.

 

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If his photos or description stated as such, I would agree. I mean the second I removed it from the package, I could tell. To me, it's like selling a mint 1968 convertible mustang and there is a footprint embedded in the metal of a door that wasn't disclosed.

 

Ahh I understand what ya mean might be a bit difficult , it's a nice Coin still

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Linco...JpO%2FQX4CVM6NpSyM0tTX0j%2FUT6A%3D&rmvSB=true
I can see the fingerprint in the sellers photo, it isn't prominent, but it's there.
I've been there and done that, had to try and cut my losses selling problem coins that i couldn't send back because after i looked good and hard at the sellers photos, the problems were there, and i missed them because i was excited about getting a good deal. Take it as a lesson learned, education's priceless.

 

I think it was fair to point out the fingerprint in your auction. But to say "Hey, I'm honest and others are not" is going a little too far.

 

Generally no.

Highly unlikely, that's right in the middle that looks like one from someone pushing it into an album or folder.

Probably.

That is possible that it was on there when it was sent for grading and didn't show until years later.

 

No it isn't. I have only sold a few coins in my life, and all on eBay. All disclosed as I showed on here. I can say I am an honest seller and never tried to cheat people.

 

But the point is that many people, including me, would be very suspicious of someone who feels the need to claim to be honest. Honest people don't usually go around saying "I'm honest". They let their reputation speak for themselves. I've seen it before in auctions and make a point of avoiding them.

 

And the least trustworthy people are the ones that don't trust others.

 

That's not even remotely true. Most people who don't trust others don't trust others because people have betrayed their trust in the past.

 

I totally understand what you mean. I was not trying to come off as sanctimonious, or to say all dealers are crooked. But when you try to be upfront when you sell stuff, it is aggravating when others do not do so in return. I think you're reading more into it than what I was genuinely tring to express.

 

Well, I heard from the seller. First, the one good thing about eBay is that there is great buyer protection (maybe a little too much).

In two emails I sent, and in his two responses (which the exchanges were polite), I brought up in each email that I am displeased that he did not disclose how obvious the fingerprint is in the description, and that a better photo could have easily been taken showing it.

His response? Never says a thing about it. Just says "sorry you're not pleased."

With my law enforcement background, for him to not be shocked that I pointed it out, to not attempt to explain it, and to not even in any way acknowledge my complaint, that is HIGHLY suspicious. In my experience, it is proof of previous knowledge and acceptance of the charges. The purposely dark photos, the lack of the description despite it being so clear you don't need a loupe to see it...dishonest seller 100%.

 

No it's considered as typical non-collector handling or circulation wear.

 

I don't think it is a sign of what you are insinuating based on a non-committal type of reply.

 

I'm not sure if you're new to eBay or what but there's really no need to be going down this road. eBay sellers have to work off a completely different demeanor than the real world. A lot of sellers give no descriptions at all because regardless of what they say a buyer can turn and twist it into a SNAD case.

As far as responding to your complaint, it's a no win for the seller. ANYTHING a seller says in the eBay system can and does get used against them if a case comes up. All you had to do was request a return and that would be the end of it when you returned it. Picking a fight with the seller isn't going to do anything, everyone knows the buyers have all the leverage on there. There's a reason why the standard response to any complaint from the majority of sellers is something along the lines of "You are welcome to return the item if you wish" and that's about all you will get out of them. Anything else they say is setting them up to get boned by the system if a case is filed

By the way the finger print is perfectly clear in his photos, so calling them dishonest based off of you missing that really is not fair and you should know better than to throw around accusations with no proof

 

Like @atcarroll , I can see the fingerprint in the seller's photos. I would agree with atcarroll's assumption that you let the excitement of the coin at a great price blind you from looking at the coin without emotion. I know I've been guilty of that.

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What were you hoping the seller to say? "Oh Mr Scary Policeman, please forgive the errors of my ways!"? Why in the world do you feel it necessary to inform him you are/were in law enforcement? To me that would come across as a bully move, and not only unwarranted, but IMO, made you look like a child.

He's sorry you're not happy with the purchase, even though you purchased a coin as pictured (and yes, your complaint is definitely in the photo). What more were you expecting?

Keep the coin, and be happy you got it at a very good price, which in a way, reflects any perceived imperfections. Maybe it would have graded a point higher had it nor been for the fingerprint (although it's my understanding that fingerprints don't affect the grade of a coin).

 

This is one reason I do not buy coins from eBay, unless I know the seller well

 

I am shaking my head right now! this is where you should have had the smarter end of the stick, you have already said that you take X and X of photos. (clue) In this instance you should have known that was a finger print, and yes exposure has a lot to do with it.

 

I can see the fingerprint in the seller's photo; however, I will admit, it appears the seller did his best to obscure it.

I don't like fingerprints on my coins. I'd try and return it as well, but again, buyers need to scrutinize the photos. They have responsibility in the transaction as well.

 

Yes, it was mis- represented, But, photos don't lie.
I think that you got a much better represented coin than what the photo implied.

What exactly is this, I am not satisfied with my purchase mentality?
You chose to buy a coin from a photo, thought you might make a cherry pick, maybe you were trying to put a collection together, "that would suck, Either way, A hand shake or transfer of money in my world is done deal.

We all will make mistakes as buyer's. I will continue to buy, mistakes. Until I realize that, I am buying the coin, not the resale value.