A helmet without a head

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    In May we had a good thread on helmets:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-helmet-types.297306/

    Many ancient coin types have helmets on the head of some god, emperor, or personification. Then in August we had a short thread on helmets without heads:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/helmet-without-a-head.301133/

    Rather than resume that one I am starting this new thread with a newly-arrived cute Greek silver fraction:

    MacedoniaPhilipVtetraobol800.jpg
    Macedonia. King Philip V -(c. 187-179 BC) or Perseus (c. 179-168 BC) [The Romans defeated Perseus in 168.]
    15 mm. 2.00 grams.
    Macedonian shield with club and MA/KE on boss
    Helmet left (with no head) with monograms either side.
    Below to left, monogram of mint master: ZΩ. To right, star.
    Hoover Handbook 3.1 324, page 136 "believed to have been struck at Amphipolis"
    SNG Copenhagen 2 Macedonia 1285 (monograms the same) [1282-1288 are very similar, but with various monograms] "Autonomous issues without King's name under Philip V and Perseus c. 185-168."

    Show us a helmet!
     
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  3. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Nice coin all around and a great helmet!

    Here's mine. A common denarius from Domitian but the reverse is great. The engraver has shifted the Corinthian helmet so that the ear holes lie flat on the seat rather than naturally follow the cheek pieces. Makes the helmet look like an Apulo-Corinthian rather than a Corinthian (for those who know the types!)

    Domitian Corinth.jpg

    CAESAR DIVI F DOMITIANVS COS VII
    Laureate head right

    PRINCEPS IVVENTVTIS
    Seat draped; above Corinthian helmet

    Rome, 80-81 AD (after the deification of Vespasian)

    3.40g

    RIC 271 (C2)

    Ex-Stack's, Ex-Calgary Coin
     
  4. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    These are great images of the past.

    I have 4 of these, but this one shows the helmet best.
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    Tryphon, Diodotus
    Mint: Antioch
    141 BC
    Obvs: Head of Tryphon right diademed.
    Revs: BAΣΙΛEΩΣ TPYФΩNOΣ AYTOKPATOPOΣ, Spiked Macedonian helmet with ibex horn.
    AE 18mm, 4.9g

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  5. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Here is an ancient counterfeit. Some of the silvering has come off the helmet.

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    (After) Mn. Cordius Rufus. 46 BC. 2.92g 18mm fourrée denarius.
    O: RVFVS; Owl perched on crest of Corinthian helmet; all within circle of dots.
    R: Small winged gorgoneion within eight-sided aegis with snakes as sides looping at vertexes, around MN·CORDIVS; all within circle of dots.
     
  6. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Here is one you don't encounter that often:

    Bosnia: Štefan II Tomaševič (1461-1463) AR Dinar (Jovanovic-62.2)

    Obv: crowned and veiled helmet left set on royal coat-of-arms; R and five-rayed star set in six-rayed star on either side of helmet; Legend around - STEFAn •CRAGL
    Rev: St. Gregorius standing facing, raising hand in benediction and holding crozier; Legend around - S GREGO RI • PAPE

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    WOW, I LOVE all the posts!!

    This example came immediately to mind---EX-FORVM:

    Corithinan helmet mesembria.jpg

    Silver diobol, SNG BM 268 ff., SNG Cop 653, SGCV I 1673, gVF, toned, Mesambria (Nesebar, Bulgaria) mint, weight 1.219 g, maximum diameter 10.3mm, c. 450 - 350 B.C.; obverse crested Corinthian officer's helmet facing; reverse M-E-T-A (T = archaic Greek letter sampi = ΣΣ) counterclockwise, in the four quarters of a radiate wheel (solar disk?).
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice helmet @Valentinian !

    My Helmets without a head:

    Carthage Iberia 218-208 BC AE 13 1.4g Calco Barcid Military Mint 2nd Punic Tanit Helmet.jpg
    Carthage Iberia 218-208 BC AE 13 1.4g Calco Barcid Military Mint 2nd Punic Tanit Helmet

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    MAKEDON Philip III Arrhidaios 323-317 BCE Æ 1-2 Unit 17mm 4.2g Miletos mint Makedonwn shield Gorgoneion - Helmet bipennis K Price 2064

    Makedon Amphipolis Philip V - Perseus - lost empire to Romans - helmet Tetrobol.JPG
    Makedon Amphipolis Philip V - Perseus - lost empire to Romans - helmet Tetrobol

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    RI Magnia Urbica 285 CE silvered Ant AE 23mm 3.4g cresent - Venus Venus helmet scepter shield RIC 343 Rare
     
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Alexander III 2.jpg
    ALEXANDER III
    AE Half Unit
    OBVERSE: Gorgoneion in the center of a Macedonian shield
    REVERSE: A Macedonian helmet; caduceus and NK monogram flanking below (Struck under Nikokreon)
    Struck at Salamis mint. Struck under Nikokreon 323-315 BC
    4.9g, 15mm
    Price 3162
     
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  11. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    And this one:

    Ancient Judaea, Herodian Kingdom: Herod I (40 BCE-4 CE) Æ 8 Prutot, Uncertain mint in Samaria, RY 3 (Hendin 1169; TJC 44)

    Obv: Helmet with cheek guards surmounted by star; above to either side, palm branch
    Rev: BAΣIΛEΩΣ HPΩΔOY; tripod lebes; in left field, L Γ; in right field, monogram

    [​IMG]

    and I can blame @Deacon Ray for getting me into Judaean coins...
     
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  12. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    :jawdrop: Amazing! :wideyed:
     
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  13. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Helmet with cheek guards.

    nobodyhomehelmet.jpg
     
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member


    The helmet used on this design seems to be a crowned frog-mouthed great bascinet. In Eastern Europe they seem to have had a longer usage in actual war, rather than just for jousting as they were tipically used by the late 15th century in Western Europe.

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  15. coinsareus10

    coinsareus10 Well-Known Member

    I have no idea what im looking at. But enjoy the pictures.
    Thanks All.
     
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  16. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    This helmet was found at Ribchester, the site of a Roman Fort in Lancashire, Northern England. The site is just a few miles from Burnley - where I was born and grew up - and I used to visit there frequently as a young boy.

    It is from the first or second century AD and is a cavalry sports or games Helmet with face covering.

    It is part of the British Museum Roman Britain display.

    Bronze Ribchester Helmet
    [​IMG]
    (Courtesy Wikipedia Creative Commons)

    Link to the Museum at Ribchester:
    http://ribchesterromanmuseum.org/

    Wikipedia - Ribchester Helmet:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribchester_Helmet

    British Museum - Ribchester Helmet:
    http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_...nd_tours/archive_tours/ribchester_helmet.aspx
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2018
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  17. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    An awesome helmet! Ribchester.jpg Here I am at the Royal Ontario Museum with a reproduction of that very helmet as a Cavalry signifer.
     
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  18. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Great stuff @Jay GT4 - thanks for posting that!
     
  19. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    That is an awesome pic @Jay GT4. The museum provided the gig for you or did you create that yourself?

    Here is another dinar...

    Serbia: Stefan Uroš V (1355-71) AR Dinar (Dobrinic-8.1.2; Dimitrijevic-39)

    Obv: Stefan enthroned facing, holding cross-tipped sceptre and akakia; Legend on either side - VOIIb - YPb
    Rev: Helmet facing left with crest; Legend around - VROSIVSI MPERATOR

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I'm part of a Roman reenactment group. The museum hires us twice a year. The kit is mine. I have Republican and1st century Roman along with early Southern Italian's like Brettian/Lucanian.

    Nice Dinar!
     
  21. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    :woot::woot: WOW:woot::woot:
     
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