Everyone Has One of These Threads.....

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ken Dorney, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    So why not me? But mine has a slight twist. Its easy to post about your last or your best buys of the year. But as a dealer I dont always know what will be mine and what I will pass on to another collector. This late December I have two candidates:

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    There isn't anything special about this Gordian Sestertius. But a photo alone doesn't tell the entire story. The patina is quite rich and deep in hand. The portrait is rendered exceptionally. On the other hand, its not really high grade, and the reverse you can see has its issues (double struck or die shift, some corrosion). Bottom line I dont need or want another Gordian (not that I have huge numbers, some of you know I maintain a small collection). But, well, damm! Its very nice in person.

    Forgive my plebeian photos on this next one:

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    Caria, Tabae, 1st Century BC
    Silver Drachm, Zeus both sides.

    Well, this turns out to to be exceptionally rare. So far there are four other known examples, and none ever sold, just those in museums. I 'kind of' like it, but have no attachment really. Just that I will never see another in my life (nor will anyone else for that matter, this one seems to be the only example anyone will ever be able to own).

    So what do I do? Do I keep one or the other, sell or keep both? As a dealer, if I kept everything obviously I would be out of business in a heartbeat. What do you all think? I know what the collectors will say, but there are some dealers here....
     
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  3. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Sell the first one, keep the second until the right specialist collector comes along where the coin will have a meaningful home.

    :)
     
  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i think the 2nd coins pics are the best
     
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  5. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    The Tabae is very interesting. It needs to be in the collection of a specialist who will treasure it, rather than in the tray of a collector/dealer who "kind of" likes it.

    I am surprised to see a center dot on a silver coin. Usually I only see that on bronze coins.

    I was only able to find three examples of it. The one in the British Museum collection has a hole:
    http://www.britishmuseum.org/resear...ctId=1258008&partId=1&searchText=tabae&page=1
     
  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I'd sell the Gordie, though it is very nice. I'd jump at the chance to buy a coin with only 4 known examples, so that one definitely is a keeper.
     
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  7. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Good point on whether or not to keep it. As for the population, British Museum, 1, BN France, 2, ANS, 1. So far there are 5 known.
     
  8. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    What’s Gordie’s LAETITIA holding in her lower hand? A porcupine? A joy buzzer? The world’s least user-friendly patera?
     
  9. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    A wreath.
     
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  10. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I'd keep 'em both. They're lovely. But then I am not a dealer, and I keep almost everything...
     
  11. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Well if I were a dealer like you.
    I'd send that Gordie on to me at cost, since it would really compliment my last purchase of the year :D
    Then do as Ed Snible said, and sell the Tabae to a collector who would appreciate it more.
     
  12. Dafydd

    Dafydd Supporter! Supporter

    I don't deal in coins and don't think I would want to but I do deal in another collectible and as a dealer who was more or less forced into dealing many years ago by circumstances, I now work on the basis that I hang on to anything that I would like to own one day in my collection but make it available at the right price which if achieved allows me to reinvest in other interesting items. I am not as avaricious as I once was so don't feel the same emotional loss as I would once have done on parting with an item and the parting of something interesting is bolstered by my innate optimism that something better or more interesting will turn up. Having had a few fake coins pass into my hands this year, I'm at the happy stage that the relief of not having a coin condemned makes that one the best coin so far this year! We are all only temporary custodians of our coins but some of us are more temporary than others......
     
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  13. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    The Gordian III would probably sell fast.
     
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  14. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Two neat coins! Hold them for the right home. Neither are my area, but someone could find one like the two Zeus drachm in an ancient junk box and drop its sale value, so I'd sell it first.
     
  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    As I'm not a dealer, I would sell the Gordian and keep the rare Tabae

    But should I put myself in the position of being a dealer, I think @Ed Snible got the point

    Q
     
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  16. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    ISEGRIM found one in Copenhagen, and one in "SLG WALCHER" (CATALOGUE DE LA COLLECTION DES MEDAILLES GRECQUES DE M. LE CHEVALIER LEOPOLD WALCHER DE MOLTHEIN). It is possible one of the two you found in Paris were donated by Walcher. So six or seven.

    http://isegrim.mybluemix.net/#!?m=AR&po=Tabae&vt=HEAD MAN R&rt=MAN WALKING

    1. CARIA, Tabae. 50BC -0 AD. AR. Obverse: HEAD MAN R / HERAKLES <?> (BEARD). Reverse: TABHNWN ARTEMWN PAPIOY AR; MAN WALKING R(1) / ZEUS(1) (NUDE / THUNDERBOLT(1) / EAGLE(1)).
    1. 16.51mm 2.56g BMC Caria p. 162, #20
    2. CARIA, Tabae. 50BC -0 AD. AR. Obverse: HEAD MAN R / HERAKLES (BEARD). Reverse: AR ARTEMWN PAPIOY TABHNWN; MAN WALKING R(1) / ZEUS(1) (NUDE / THUNDERBOLT(1) / EAGLE(1)).
    1. 2.67g 12h SNG Copenhagen volume 26 #528
    3. CARIA, Tabae. 50BC -0 AD. AR. Obverse: HEAD MAN R / HERAKLES (BEARD). Reverse: TABHNWN ARTEMWN PAPIOY AR; MAN WALKING R / ZEUS <HERMES> (NUDE / THUNDERBOLT(1) <?> / EAGLE(1) &lt;?&gt;).
    1. 19mm 2.85g SLG WALCHER 2432
     
  17. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    I like them both quite a bit but judging from your post I would say that you should sell them (the Tabae to a specialist if you can find one).

    If you have to ask yourself whether or not you should keep a coin then you probably already have your answer.

    Being a dealer of stuff you want for yourself would be tough.
     
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  18. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    I like both of them so I would keep them. However since you are a dealer you should do what you feel is best.
     
  19. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    That Gordian is very attractive! As you say, I am sure that the photo only hints at the special quality it has. I don't mind the doubling on the reverse. It's an artifact showing evidence of the minting process. I find it adds to the interest, as long as it doesn't obscure the design too much. Gordian's portrait is rendered with incredible sensitivity, and the figure of Laetitia on the reverse is very graceful.
     
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  20. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    I'm a collector and I would keep them myself. If I was a dealer, I'd sell the Gordian and hold on to the Greek until the time is right to sell for the right price and preferably to a collector since they would hold on to them for awhile and then make sure the coins go back to market later on. Ain't no different than what some others have suggested. I think it's a good idea.
     
  21. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    You have to collect what you like or else what's the point? If you're not in love with either of them then sell them off...this is especially true if you're a dealer or anyone really who maintains a "small" collection. There's no room or money to hold on to something you're not in to.
     
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