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TBA k You, Duane

 

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Okay! I'll be as objective as possible. I do see something on the 2nd "U" in PLURIBUS, but your photo is not good enough for me to be able to determine what it is.

Chris

 

Well , I was told it was PMD and I can't say it is'nt. I just dont understand how it can cause the U to bend over the top and make a G . then if you straighten the G out then the U would be higher than the other letters. Maybe I am just not up to par on how PMD works although I read an awful lot on it the past two days. But I'll tell you this, it looks like a G to me. lOL

 

I'll have my camera here in a couple of days where I can take some really good pictures.

 

We get the point! You don't like the grading services. That doesn't mean that some of them don't provide a very valuable service for tens of thousands of customers. Between NGC and PCGS, alone, they have graded more than 60 million coins. Just because you don't believe in paying for such services doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.

Chris

 

Okay so I chalk this up to PMD and that means that it's going to be very hard to determine what is actually a double die ,and there are many errors that are actually created in the mint, that are not considered doubled dies, even though they look the same. Now let's say I find a coin that;, let's say several people here on coin talk agree ," including you" that it is a mint error. How would I be certain before sending it in??

 

It is very easy to move copper around even with the slightest of dings. Take a look at the link below. Besides some severe gouges, you will also see that the "T" of LIBERTY has taken a hit, and it looks almost like a "Y".

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/penny-with-liberty-spelled-liberyy.295344/

This isn't the only thread in our forums that discusses this anomaly. If you use the "Search" option and type in "LIBERYY" and uncheck the forum requirement, you can find other such threads about this.

Chris

 

Hey, look! I've only been collecting since 1957, and to be honest, I am still learning. Nobody said it will be easy, and you're definitely not going to learn everything overnight.

Maybe "Errors & Varieties" are not your cup of tea, but even if you should find something like a doubled die, it does not mean that it will be worth submitting for authentication. I can almost guarantee that it will take you years to learn the difference.

Chris

 

OK I accept that and I will do more reading. So on the eagle the doubling on the wings, Legs, and other places is just machine damage. And worn dies causes this??

 

I told you before that the photo isn't good enough, and the lighting on this Kennedy is hiding the edges of the devices which makes it difficult to judge.

Chris

 

5 pages and we've gotten nowhere...

 

I know sorry for the rant Chris.
I feel very fortunate that I don’t have to purchase slabbed coins because of how I collect.
Reed

 

The last thing I'm going to do is dispute you. But this will be my cup of tea because not only do I enjoy it immensely, it is highly I teresting to me and I will put whatever into it that it takes to be good at it.

Sorry Chris, I can't wait till I get that camera tomorrow. Anyway I don't think it's a mint error because I have 30 , sixty four Kennedy's and 6 of them are like this. I don't know why. I have 6 that look doubled bad and 24 that are not. Maybe it was just a bad year for him. But the 6 I have are all the accented hair strike. I'm just confused as heck when I look at these doubles and I know they are not supposed to be this way. Anyway I have apologized as I said I would and I'll eat crow but don't get frustrated if I ask you for advice. Thanks Chris, I really appreciate you and E ergo E else putting in time to help a hard headed old man

 

Yes and may I ask how you collect if it's not a secret?

 

Understood!

However, I'd like to play devil's advocate.

Suppose you were searching eBay, and you spotted two coins that you could afford. Both appeared to be the same grade, and both sellers listed them for the same price - $10,000 with absolutely no refunds allowed. One of the coins was raw and one was graded by PCGS. Which one would you choose? Note: "What if" and "suppose this" are not allowed.

Chris

Chris

 

Sure we have..........

 

I would have to take the graded one. I think PCGS knows basically what they are doing.

 

Little 19mm American cents nicely circulated. Aged just right from 1930 to 1982. All in the raw almost all pulled from circulated rolls or circulation. Displayed in 2X2 cardboard flips in pages or Albums. I used to activey pull and process Zincolns but have abandoned them because I found to much rot in the collection. Still do yearly clad proofs, mostly because of the cents.
I ONLY tell you this because you asked and I hope this helps you

 

Would depend entirely on who the seller was. The slab makes 0 difference to me. Slabbed or raw, if I don't trust the seller I would not buy it.

 

Im going to guess but is machine doubling in the letters. Not really good at this. Not lack oof effort