1851 Large Cent, Authenticity Concerns

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    So a guy posted this coin on Facebook, saying he dug it up metal detecting and cleaned it. A couple of loudmouths don't believe his story, and are saying he is using a counterfeit he bought to garner attention. So is the coin authentic, and what is the variety?

    The closest I could come up with is N-26, using the original edition on Newcomb's book. I am not 100% sure of that attribution, though. There are at least 10 varieties I have not explored yet as they are not included in Newcomb's book.

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    A couple uncleaned shots

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    A Chinese fake for comparison.

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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

  4. asheland

    asheland The Silver Lion

    Not 100%, but it kinda looks ok.
     
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  5. asheland

    asheland The Silver Lion

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  6. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Looks legit to me - but who knows with the Chinese now a days they seem to keep getting better.
     
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  7. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    looks legit to me. I will get out the Grellmans when I get home to try and attribute it.
     
  8. Aotearoa

    Aotearoa Currently Smitten with DBLCs

    The coin looks real to me. What's hard to believe is the coin pictured on the metal detector is the same coin shown in the top pic. That is an amazing cleaning job.
     
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  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I can't say if the cleaned up coin is genuine, it does look pretty convincing, but I'm not sure it is the same coin as the dirty one. On the cleaned on I see some finning at 7:00 that I don't see on the dirty one, I see a pretty strong rim nick below star 11 that I don't see on the dirty one, and the is a strong nick on the truncation of the bust above the hair wave over the 5 that I don't see on the dirty one.

    The clean one looks like it may have repunching above the left foot of the first 1. If so that might help narrow down the attribution.
     
  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Looks good to me. The surfaces are consistent with environmental damage, and the uncleaned color is consistent with being dug up.

    The big thing I always check are the dentils - many times, fakes have mushy dentils. On the coin in question, those are crisp and sharp. I don't see anything about the coin that would make me question it.
     
  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I do see the finning on both. I also see the rim cut at k8 on both. Even more significant, the rim bump at k3 lines up perfectly. The cleaned and uncleaned coin are the same.
     
  12. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Seems OK. N-26 or N-15 seems plausible based on Grellman. N-13 also possible. Kind of need a sharper picture or better magnification to discern the date placement.
     
  13. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    date position does look like N-15 or N-26. Pictures are not magnified enough to see the lines and lumps to tell for sure.
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'll take your word for it. I blew up the dirty one 500% and I couldn't see them. And I don't see a rim bump at K3.
     
  15. TONYBRONX

    TONYBRONX Well-Known Member

    Maybe the Aliens are teaching the Chinese how to perfect coins and we will never find out what's counterfeit our not!
     
  16. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’m with real. Environmental damage and cleaned. A common late date large cent
     
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