Ebay Delemma

Steve:
Very well stated, especially : "at what point in time is Cody absolved - if the buyer had waited 2 more weeks, 2 months, 2 years? " and "why is Cody responsible for the lack of knowledge of the buyer."
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Time to break out the sack cloth & ashes.
Oops, don't forget the hair shirt and periodic beatings.

 

If it were a matter of difference of opinion then Cody would have been off the hook after 7 days. It is however, a matter of fact. The coin either is or isn't a proof and Cody doesn't have the "proof" to back up his statement. "Buyer Beware" is in actuality a warning to be aware that there are unscrupulous people out there that are out to swindle you. Cody says that this was not his intent therefor he should (and has stated that he will) make good on a refund. If the buyer wants his shipping back he would have good arguement for that as well. Grading costs on the other hand are in this case like paying for an insurance policy. You may get a settlement but you dont get your premiums back!

Just my thoughts
Richard

 

If buyer provides proof, how about that Cody "help" auction. I have had some interest via email already.

Let me know. In my opinion, buyer gets a refund if he provides his PCGS doc's as he stated he has in possesion. Period.

If not, Cody will be forever one of those we talk about on ebay who you must watch out for.

 

Just curious, several people have indicated that Cody's pictures were sufficient to determine the coin is not a proof, what observations about the coin lead to that conclusion??

 

Doug, you rock !!!

As for proof/business strike? Rims and strike are the things I look for. Some early satin proof Lincolns are hard to spot. Sometimes, you can pick one up as a * BU * if you have good eyes and know what to look for. Like GDJSMP said, proofs are struck twice, there is no weakness in lettering at all, and strong square rims are the rule.

 

I didn't say he did. What does it say about society when acting with integrity and character in commercial transactions is considered "tough?"

 

When you make claims, you must back them up, no time frame matters.

Look at the coin and the sale dates. I lost big on this one. Buyer provided PCGS proof, no questions asked refund with costs was given instantly. Buyer had already left feedback as well, came back 5 weeks later for a refund. My policy is no refunds on slabs.

EDIT: Buyer sent to PCGS for Vam attribution

I bought wrong myself to start, then sold this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110163767069

Came back from PCGS, so I sold this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110185153094

Lost $$$, but I still sleep well.

 

GD:
Question: 50% of what?

 

Statutes of limitations vary from state to state.

In California the time limit for suing on a written contract is four years, but I've heard of limits as low as 2 years and as high as 10 years.

 

morally, it never runs out

 

Thank you all for your generausity (or however you spell it)

 

Cody, has buyer sent a reply with any documentation mentioned? This auction may not happen if he does not produce.

 

Since this topic has become so HEATED, I asked a lawyer client of mine today their opinion.

There are legality issues here because of Cody's age. Which everyone apears to discount or overlook. I know I will get flamed again, but it is a problem!

The question is can Cody enter into a contract on EBay to sell the item in the first place as he is only 14?

Legal answer. Absolutely not! EBay constitutes a contractural agreement.
As he is under age, there is no contract. The transaction is void.

Ebay requires all posters to be over 18 for exactly that reason.
Read the EBay licence agreement again. It plainly says you MUST BE 18 to post!
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
While using the Sites, you will not: use the Sites if you are not able to form legally binding contracts, are under the age of 18

It says nothing about parents consent or using your parents account

So basically what you have done is both unethical and illegal

The buyer is due a full refund or you can be sued

Actually, you cant be sued for the same reason. But your parents can!
Parents are the responsibility of a minor, which is what you are

 

Eyesee, i would apricieate it if you did not post any more on this topic. I know you are starting to annoy 4 people, including me. This topic has noting to do if i am of age or not, but what action i should take. Please, if you post here, please stay on topic. If a mod or an admin has a problem with this post, go ahead and remove it, just lettin' ya know I understand ahead of time.

 

Your age has a LOT to do with it young one!
You have a legal issue here
They law says you cant enter into a contract until you are 18, PERIOD!

 

I really don't think that was nice---as far as I know he has "annoy" no one and the only reason he is annoying you is because he is telling you that you are doing something wrong.
Now when you start a thread on a open forum you can't pick who can post and who can't...you ask for thoughts and ideas and that is what he is giving. You should be glad that he went as far as asking a lawyer for you...normally lawyer's don't come free.

Speedy