My 'Roach' plus three. Help me attribute.

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  1. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Thank you @Theodosius for your generosity, I not only got my first 'roach' but I was surprised with three other coins, all for me to start to attribute. My pics are not the best, but hopefully these will do. One I think is what they call a Kainon aka Alaisa from Sicily but I don't have it fully attributed. This is the one with the Horse prancing left and Griffin, possibly leaping over a grasshopper? I am really not sure what is beneath the griffin. And I may have the obverse/reverse reversed, so that the Griffin should be the obverse. Also what is strange is that the horse and the griffin don't seem to be set right as far as coin turn or medal turn, but seems to be a bit off (rotation?).

    Of course the nice silver roach is pretty cool.

    I am not sure what the others are, my eyes don't seem to want to recognise letters really good.

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  3. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Ooh! Very cool coins!
    #1 Appears to be a tetradrachm from Alexandria of an empress with an eagle on the reverse with wings spread facing right. Start there, I can't tell who exactly.
    #3 Is an imperial coin of Tetricus II with Spes on the reverse.
    #4 Should be an easy attribution by looking through Wildwinds at Gordian III... Look for coins with a LIBERALITAS AVG II reverse legend.
    http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/gordian_III/i.html


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  4. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    I've found the attribution for your Alexandrian coin! Do you want to know who it is?
     
  5. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Yes, please!
     
  6. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on


    I am still looking for the exact one. There are so many to choose from.
     
  7. dougsmit

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  8. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    I see at least three/four, kind of smallish, then possibly another one or two, but it goes into the break so I don't know if it is part of something else. One of the dots (if four) is really close to the head.
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    On #1 (before Miles tells you) note the reverse has L I followed by a trace of another letter. That means the regnal date is at least year 11 (depending on the reading of that last letter). This helps a lot because it eliminates rulers who did not last over ten years. The condition of this coin makes it a lot easier to read the letters if you already know what they are. Many Alexandrian legends work that way! Start by considering only wives of 'long term' emperors.
     
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  10. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    On the Kainon, is that a star above the horse and rein?
     
  11. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

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  12. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    Yes! I can definitely see one next to the horse.
     
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  13. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    Sorry, I forgot how to quote. The statement above references the quoted one.
     
  14. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    So Number 1 is Julia Cornelia Salonina 253-268 AD; Alexandria Egypt AE Tetradrachm. Obverse: portrait of Salonina, facing right, Reverse: Eagle with outstretched wings n.r. standing wreath in its beak LIE, year 15 of Gallienus 267/268. Is this a good description?
     
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  15. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Awesome help... thanks.

    I have some work to do to get more detailed attribution and learn about these coins. I love them all.
     
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  16. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    Yes! If you like you can add the legends.
    They are all interesting!
     
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  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    The Salonina Tet is really nice. Likewise the roach is pretty good too. Also, the coin of Tetricus II. You scored some good ones there @Kasia ! My understanding is that some of the empress tets are fairly rare, nor is the coin of Tetricus II all that common.
     
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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Looking up the Salonina in Emmett I found it interesting that she has several different variations of eagle with most issued only one year so you actually can ID this as IE even if it had no letters. Does anyone have an explanation for Salonina having Alexandrian coins dated years three through eight and eleven through fifteen but none for nine or ten? Did she offend Valerian and get set down only to be returned to favor after his death?
     
  19. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    There are a few versions of your Gordian III but the key to choosing the right one is that it is an Antoninianus (radiate crown) rather than denarius (laurel) and the obverse legend is IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG where the others are... IMP CAES GORDIANVS PIVS AVG or IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG.

    Gordian III AD 238-244 Antoninianus
    Obv: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG - Radiate bust right,
    draped and cuirassed.
    Rev: LIBERALITAS AVG II - Liberalitas
    standing left, holding an abacus and a double cornucopia.
    Rome mint: AD 239 (3rd Issue, 4th Officina)
    RIC IViii, 36, page 19 - Cohen 130
     
  20. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Is that Bronze Disease on coin #2 (and possibly on coin #3 Tetricus)?
    (Is it 'powdery' - can you 'pick' it off with a bamboo toothpick?)
     
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  21. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    I will have to check that out.
     
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