New Henry VI Groat (edited from VII)

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by alde, Dec 9, 2017.

  1. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Thanks to the sharp eyes and vast knowledge of a couple of fellow English hammered enthusiasts that posted below an ID change has been made. It was minted in Calais while a portion of France was ruled by the English. This coin is from Henry VI's First Reign from 1422-1461. The coin was minted 1422-1430 and is Spink 1836. I found it to be a very attractive coin with great tone. Please post your groats or whatever you feel fits. All us medieval nuts need a fix now and then.
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    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
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  3. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin, fantastic detail and that toning is great. Congrats on a terrific pick up.
     
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  4. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    An absolute beauty, the tone is incredible!

    My only English groat is of his son:
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  5. alde

    alde Always Learning

    I really want one of the Henry VIII facing groats and a profile groat too. I also have a book specifically on groats on its way from England.
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That's a handsome groat. I've been reading a book about the Tudors lately.
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I have no groat but offer two Canterbury halves. The young one with TC on reverse has always been a favorite of my modern coins. The facing is a bit ugly to rank highly. Note that young Henry was VIII but later became 8.
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I quite like the younger one.
     
  9. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Lovely groats! Sadly, none for me. I do have a nice enthroned Henry VII on a penny:
    Med-09b-Eng-1494-Henry VII-D-II-Durham-1731.jpg
    England
    Henry VII, r. 1485-1509 (1494-1501)
    Durham Mint, mm 76b, AR Penny, 14.88mm x 0.6 grams
    Obv.: [HENR]IC DI GR[A REX] AN. King enthroned holding orb and sceptre
    Rev.: CIVITAS [DE .:.] RAM. Coat-of-arms over long cross pattée, mitre above, R left, D right
    Ref.: North 1731, SCBS 2234, De Witt 3298, (Allen, Classification 3iii)
    Ex. R.D. Frederick, Ex. Tradewinds Collection
     
  10. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    That is a very attractive groat of Henry for Calais:) Nice dark tone.

    Like you, I have not researched mine yet either. I seem to recall there is at least another variety of these, but not sure.

    Here is mine and a few other related coins:

    Henry Groat Calais-Obv - 1.jpg Henry Groat Calais-Rev - 1.jpg

    Henry VI Groat - London:
    Henry VI Groat-London-Obv - 1.jpg

    Henry VI Groat-London-Rev - 1.jpg

    Henry VIII Groat - Old Head:
    Henry VIII Old Head Groat OBV - 1.jpg Henry VIII Old Head Groat REV - 1.jpg

    Edward VI Shilling- Tower Mint:
    Edward VI Shilling OBV best picture - 1.jpg Edward VI Shilling REV best picture - 1.jpg
     
  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful posts!! The OP is simply gorgeous!!
     
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  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

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  13. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    A wonderful addition. Love the toning.

    Mine

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    Henry VII (1485 - 1509 A.D.)
    AR Groat
    O: hENRIC DI GRA REX AGL Z FRA, Crowned facing bust in tressure of arches; crown of two arches, outer jeweled (crown 4).
    R:pOSVI DEV ADIVTOR MEV CIVITAS LONDON, Long cross; trefoils in quarters, cross end 8, saltire stops, ‘coded’ stops 20/10.
    London mint; mm:anchor (upright). Struck 1499-1502.
    Class IIIc
    25mm
    3.03g
    Cf. SCBI 23 (Ashmolean), 363; North 1705c; SCBC 2199.
     
  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Lovely groats all. Henry VII is still on my list.
     
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  15. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    At some point, I have to own a groat because it’s part of a great bit in the British sit-com Blackadder.

    That’s a good enough reason for me to pick one up.

    The coins posted in this thread are yet another reason to pull the trigger. They are great coins.
     
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  16. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Great coin @alde I love the tone of the coin and the detail is great.
    If the book on English groats is the one by Ivan Buck I think you'll find it a really great resource for the coins of the Lancasters, Yorks, and Tudors.
     
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  17. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    That is a great string of coins @Eduard
    The facing bust Henry VIII has such an iconic portrait.
     
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  18. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Yes, the book is the one by Ivan Buck. I'm looking forward to getting it.

    Great coins everyone. I'm so glad the Ancient's folks tolerate those of us who also dabble in later stuff post our coins. I feel out of place in the other areas and feel like I'm among friends here.
     
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  19. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I love medievals as much as ancients. They are just not as affordable as ancients, to me anyways.
     
  20. alde

    alde Always Learning

    True but there are good deals out there. You just have to be patient.
     
  21. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin but are you sure it is Henry VII ? I think all his groats were struck in London. This appears to be a groat from Henry VI's first reign (1422-61). probably S. 1836 (struck 1422-30).
     
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