First Strike commercial coin.

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  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Believe me. Conder101 does not need help understand the minting process. He has been teaching it for 20 something years. You would be wise to learn from him.
     
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Although they may not have much worth now, but, maybe 50 years in the future, some of these may command a premium, depending on how long the die lasted.
    I still don't see the reasoning behind @usmc60 responces, It seems a futile attempt to be right, even when faced with answers from well known numismatist, I call it ridiculousness!!
     
  4. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    It seems we have too well knowledgeable members. I would really like your opinions on this coin that is plainly marked out. sa-2-1.jpg
    Why this coin out of the other three has a distinct luster and shine than the other three along with this one I have found others very few and far apart so please enlighten me with your knowledge why this coin I don't care if you put up thousand coins down on a table this coin would stand out. Because it's not like all the others why is it not like all the others.? I give you my reasons but you don't buy those reasons so let me see what your explanation of why this coin has an extremely high shine and luster to it and the others do not.



    USMC60
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    That's possible but it's going to take more than just the strike. All the other factors of grading a coin will be important.
     
  6. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    I would be more than happy to learn something new if this gentleman was correct all information I have on the blanks comes from information available. And to say a blanket is not heated up I find that kind of unusual because there's information to the contrary heating up the blanks makes the blanks more pliable.

    It's hard for me to believe in an expert when they tell me that a coin that I have in my hand does not exist the coin in my hand tells me something different.
    And when an expert tells me there is no such thing as a first strike well that's kinda self-explanatory I find it hard to believe,
    and if there's one thing I've learned in life Sir you can read all you want to read.
    It does not replace the hands-on experience. And that's what I seem to be running into here people that read a lot but actually have no hands-on experience.
    USMC60
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I agree I have cherry picked these quarters with almost mirror like surfaces, a circulated coin that has taken as much abuse as that one has, won't command a premium.
     
  8. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Every pair of fresh dies have a "First Strike". There are many first strikes through an issue of coins. But you would have to be there with the press operator with every die change to get them.
     
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  9. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    'been', 'ben'? I think you mean 'bin'.
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It is what everybody has been telling you, a coin that has been struck from fresh dies, But, you want to argue semantics with very seasoned numismatic professionals, striking of coins is a very well known process, you can't change it.
     
  11. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Agreed but you still haven't answered my question why is this particular coin have such I high shine and Leicester and the others don't.? I'm listening but nobody saying anything no one's given me a reason why the difference is.All you're doing by your statement is telling me what I've been saying. New dies at least for the first minute have a different quality in the coinage but yet you all disagree you're looking at the proof in the photos but then you're telling me the same thing I'm telling you new dies will give what I've been saying new dies at least for the first few seconds of operation than the quarters or coinage turns into regular coinage

    Why can't you just say what I've been saying a brand-new die at least for the first few blanks that are hit will come out with a high luster and shine until those dies heat up and produce what you normally see in a production coinage.As shown in the photo.
     
  12. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Voice recognition not my favorite
     
  13. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Exactly. Do agree these are very few and far apart there's not that many to each new die. So I guess they would be considered a rarity. That's why you do not see thousands of them on the market. Because they're very few In quantity.

    And if you use a little common sense the only way you'd actually get this first strike commercial coinage. It's just like you said you'd have to be there where the tactician.

    I believe the United States mint is missing out on their next sales promotion item. All they would have to do was put a bag attachment at the injection port of the press.
    Flip the press on and turn it off you would have a small percentage of first strike commercial coins. If I could get a bag of these I would pay a premium if they would certify that the press number three had new dies and this bag was off that press.
     
  14. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Look at it this way if you were that coin and you were the first one struck and at the bottom of the Been of thousands of other coins I don't think you look pretty good yourself, plus these coins are the last to really hit circulation. Since there at the bottom of the been.
     
  15. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    The Dutch mint (KNM) does that to some extent. They have a first strike ceremony (ceremoniële eerste slag) as a promo event for most or even all issues. That first strike often takes place after the production has begun. ;) The mint also sells first day issue (eerste dag uitgifte) coin cards that look like this. In these cases, the coins themselves do not have any special marks, but the envelope that the coin card is in refers to the first day.

    Christian
     
  16. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    The OP's quarter appears to be heavily plated. Most likely with platinum.
     
  17. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    David when you open the role and you see this one that's the first thing I know that came into my mind, but under close examination it does not show any signs of being plated or dipped.

    Another and most dangerous way and I will tell the young viewers right now please do not try this Mercury is extremely poisonous, and is one compound you cannot get out of your system. (((So do not try this at home)))) if you take Mercury spread it over the coin you will get a unbelievable looking coin.

    But back to what I was saying the coin visually shows no signs of being plated.
    I have my theory but since nobody believes in my theories I'll keep this one to myself.
    The coin is actually telling you what happened, but nobody believes in my theories.
    USMC60
     
  18. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    That's a good question I do not have the slightest idea
     
  19. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Conder101 Sir this video only backs up my's previous statement

    USMC60
     
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  21. Santinidollar

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    Perhaps the answer is a tacit admission by the grading services that such coins should NOT carry a premium just because of a label. It’s the coin and not what’s on the label that counts.
     
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