Oops... Not what I was intending to buy...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TypeCoin971793, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    The Nero is not a Paduan. The type is not listed in the lexicon of the works by Cavino. That said, it doesn't mean it is not old. It may still be 100 years or more, it is difficult to say.

    The Galba does appear to be a Paduan though. Due to the wear you will have to do a little more work trying to match the dies to the known examples, but my quick look shows it probably is though an aftercast and not an original. Google Books has a digital copy of the book, though there are only a few line drawings and no photos.

    Anyway, these still do have a market. The lower grade examples are roughly worth between $50 and $150. I know thats quite a spread, but its not like there is a steady market for them so prices do fluctuate wildly.
     
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  3. dougsmit

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    I believe there are quite a few types of aftercast items not in the book and not made from genuine Roman coins. The question is where they originated. It is unlikely that Cavino was the only one producing Roman fantasies and most probably that new dies or molds were made on a continual basis between his time and ours. I have no idea how we are to tell a 1700 from a 1900 and whether any/all of the non-book coins ever existed as struck replicas before they started casting. There are also combinations that suggest later casters did not stick to the correct pairings.
    My other Septimius is a later, late aftercast (fuzzy!) with reverse inappropriate for Septimius. rj4970bb0141.jpg My Pertinax is a real sestertius type and earlier cast with better detail but not made from an ancient Roman or a listed Paduan 'mother'.
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  4. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Here is the only “reproduction coin” I have owned.

    A bronze copy of the famous ten aurei multiple (RIC VOLUME VI, TREVERI, No. 34), the original of which presently resides in the museum at Arras, that commemorates the restoration of secessionist Britain to the Roman Empire by Constantius in 296. It depicts the personification of Londinium (LON) kneeling and supplicating to Constantius (on horseback) outside of the City Fortification while a galley with Roman soldiers waits on the river Thames. The inscription REDDITOR LVCIS AETERNAE proclaims Constantius as the restorer of the eternal light (of Rome). The Treveri (Trier) mint mark (PTR) is in the exergue.

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    FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOBIL CAES ............. REDDITOR LVCIS AETERNAE
    LON (reverse right) PTR (reverse exergue)

    Bastien records the original (unique) coin as No. 218 in his book on the Arras Hoard and mentions that galvano copies were made and sold by the Paris coin dealer Bourgey. At a weight of 23.0 grams I think the copy depicted here was cast in bronze from one of those galvano copies. There appears to be numerous other copies in circulation in a variety of metals - brass/bronze, silver, gold, gilded copper, etc.

    I had been seeking one of these so that I could include a photo on my Britannic coins of the Tetrarchy web page. I found this one for sale in a local coin shop about thirty years ago. I cannot recall what I paid for it - I think about $50. I use the pic of the reverse as my avatar.

    Added: I no longer own it - I gave it to Mauseus - a denizen of another Ancient Coin Forum - he is one of the most knowledgeable collectors of Carausian coins I know of and I wanted to be sure this item got into the collection of someone like him before I shuffle off this mortal coil.
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That strikes me as the correct thing to do with all of our 'less than genuine' items so there will be no problems with them when we are not able to straighten things out. I wish I knew where all of my coins (real, fake and in-between) will go when I am finished with them but I have no idea.
     
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  6. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    If we dispose of them before we kick that proverbial bucket perhaps we might be able to know. But if we hang on to them, well....

    Its an interesting concept. The average life expectancy of an American male is 78 years. Take my age for example. If I assume the worst and expect that I have half left than the average (the current expectancy, minus my age, divided by two.....no, I dont profess to assume the math is correct, but its something to consider) , I have 15 years left on this planet. I fully expect to dispose of everything well before that. Its not so much that I want to see some sort of profit, but I want to see that they all get passed down to those who appreciate them. It would do my heart good. My kids wont appreciate them, but others will.
     
  7. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    It would be an interesting study, maybe some here on CT have read about lines of decent of ancients in their numismatic literature? Like to trace the ownership ancestry or provenance so to speak, of a single RR denarius throughout the many centuries. What adventures it could reveal to us. I have very little, actually no expertise on that part of the science of numismatics that might include the history of when and why people started collecting coins from the past. So exploring the line or trajectory of an ancient coin historically through human hands: under a floorboard, into the ground, back into the forge under a new dynasty, into a museum or a private collection or into a long continued circulation like popular denarii or tets of Alexander or the Ptolemies. This is an intriguing story-line in itself. I guess there must be books about this you all here at CT know about? It would be interesting to know if any of the later Roman emperors collected or cherished any of the coins minted by the early Caesars. In the same way that later English royalty collected coinage of their earlier kings and queens.
     
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