Question for the Dippers

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I'll do a couple different dilutions: 50/50, 1:2, 1:4 or something like that. I usually set up a couple bowls like this anyway. How long do you dip an unc red cent? Lol...No need to dip it in first place, so...I'll do it about as long as it would take a toned coin, i guess. Since there will be no toning, it will only have the luster to work on...This will be far from scientific but should give me enough to quench the curiosity. Thanks guys!

 

IMHO, you will not see any difference using a 10X hand lens for your experiment. However, if you wish to keep at it dip-after-dip you will eventually see something.

 

The Lincolns we've all seen on eBay - those with the nice pics and the bright red backgrounds, from the seller referenced earlier in this string - are the proof that someone knows how to clean up copper. Aren't they?

 

Or how to use PhotoShop

 

Heres one from last night...they need to get better with the blur tool if photoshop has anything to do with it:

 

No, they're just proof that someone has built a successful business on overexposing their imagery and color-correcting against an odd-colored background. I don't think Vette "doctors" his coins; too many people I trust have done business with him and been satisfied with the result (once they learned how to "see" the actual coin they were getting, from those images).

 

Sorry, this does not count. It is not even close to being uncirculated! Coin's with this much loss of detail from wear are not "red." Furthermore, the "pink" color is unnatural.

 

Can this result truly be explained by tricks of lighting or photography?

 

Let’s be clear hear. The name Dippers used here is not the proper numismatic terminology. Its a coin DOCTOR. Anyone who alters the Metallic surface of a coin for the means of increasing its condition and or value. COIN DOCTOR!

 

I know it doesn’t make me popular but I HATE doctored coins and the people that do it for the WRONG reasons. No implications are being make at all about any one person just coin doctoring itself

 

No, but factoring knowledge of the seller's technique, it's not difficult to realize the coin has been cleaned. I'm just not sure he's the one who cleaned it; at his sales volume he has little time to do so.

 

By the way, my point is not to come down on this particular seller (I buy from him myself on occasion).

 

Agreed. I think he has a well-considered business model that targets multiple buying groups. Those looking for quality know what to steer away from.

 

Hundreds of coppers all exactly the same weird color?

 

352sdeer, posted: "Let’s be clear hear. The name Dippers used here is not the proper numismatic terminology. Its a coin DOCTOR. Anyone who alters the Metallic surface of a coin for the means of increasing its condition and or value. COIN DOCTOR!"

LOL. Those "coin doctors" who conserve coins at the TPGS's should be all "called-out" just as you have done!

PS to all: Hundreds of coppers all exactly the same weird color should tell you something.

 

"Proper numismatic terminology"? That's what you're called if you dip coins: a dipper. You might think its equivalent to being a coin doctor but it certainly doesnt mean its not "proper numismatic terminology"...in fact, i believe your opinion is in the minority. Properly dipped coin is even grade-able so...

And are you just referring to copper? Or do you believe any coin dipped is coin doctoring? Is distilled water, acetone, xylene, etc, etc ok? Or is that all doctoring as well?

 

Totally disagree. There is a huge difference between conserving a coin and doctoring a coin...and both involve altering the coins surface.

 

That the weird red background is likely playing a role in the color showing. Pretty sure hes a CU poster, if someones not gonna buy some and see what they look like in hand could always just ask him directly

 

Please read and understand what I’m saying. Those coin doctors aren’t doctors at all the are conservators of coins they clean not degrade coins for a living. It’s not the same. I can BET you you won’t find coin care at NGC or PCGS or nic-o-date or any ACID base cleaner. And by the edited it’s okay to dip I just don’t like it. If it bothers you that much to be known as a Doctor then don’t do it. JUST MY OPINION. REASON WHY I HATE DOCTORS: When I was twelve I bought my first silver only to be told by the other coin shop in town it had been dipped to many times and that the nice flat white surface was all wrong and I had been taken. It took me long time to get over that. I had to collect bottles for half the summer for that coin. Never have I purchased silver since. And I will never purchase silver again because of that. Now you tell me was it a good thing that guy back in 1973 DOCTORED his coins? He almost blew me out of the hobby was that good? How many more people have been BURNNED by EVIL COIN DOCTORS. And one kid is to much to loose from our hobby. So if a coin goes bad what do you do? Destroy it? Smash it? Use it as a target? NO you keep it or sell it either way it finds it’s way back into general population, some other suckers gonna have it! Is that good? Not in my opinion.