1972p cent funky looking date...

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  1. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    Thought I had triple vision looking at this... 1972pdatefull.jpg 1972reversefull.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Wow.. Interesting
    Bad case of Die Deterioration Tripling :wideyed:
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

    Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

    Submitted By: John A. Wexler

    Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

    Values: No extra value!!!

    Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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  5. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Yes, the coin displays said master doubling, but this is NOT what's responsible for the date. Try strike doubling.
     
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  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    First and foremost, Always understand the stage or state of a die
    ( MDO - stage G ) Lol .

    The date is caused from what post #2 states ..
    I'm off to the coin show ..........
     
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  7. Fallguy

    Fallguy Active Member

    I think this is an example of where you have both true doubling (albeit Master Doubling) and Strike Doubling. Whatever the case, it sure is nifty looking, but alas probably not worth more than 1 cent (or 2 cents as Copper), given its overall condition.

    Semper Fidelis
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Very cool. I'd keep it just because of the look. Agree with the others that it isn't worth anything over FV.
     
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  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Cool looking example of strike doubling. I bet it would sell for a dollar on ebay.
     
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  10. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I'd keep it just for it's unusual date!
     
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  11. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    "Lol"... seriously? Instead of trying to save face where none was lost, perhaps try making your case by explaining exactly how this could be. Even if kudos are deserved for your efforts and the times correct, you've also mislead more people than any ten members of this board combined.
     
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  12. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I would have to take the side of MDD, or strike damage on the date rather than die deterioration.
     
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  13. TheMont

    TheMont Well-Known Member

    Here's what a true 1972 DDO likes like:

    1972 Double Die Lincoln Cent.jpg 1972 over 72 Lincoln Cent date.jpg 1972 over 72 Lincoln Cent Trust.jpg
     
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  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

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  15. TheMont

    TheMont Well-Known Member

    I agree, it's not as rare as a 1955 DDO, but it still is a coin well worth having in your collection. As some of you may remember, I sent in a 1955 and a 1972 to NGC, the 1955 came back not genuine. Genuine '72 Duble Die MS62 NGC Not Genuine 1955 double die.jpg
     
  16. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I have a few of the 72s, Bought these 2 from Bower and Merena in the 80s
    for $225 each, and the bottom one later in 2005 for about twice that. The toning is about the same as in the photo, much better looking in hand or probably if I had better lighting :)
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  17. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    Extra nice find! Love that date.
     
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