Misaligned Die Strike with a CUD?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by dchjr, Nov 22, 2017.

  1. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Can there be a cud on a misaligned die strike? or is this PMD?
    1984 MDS Cud (4).jpg 1984 MDS Cud (2).jpg 1984 MDS Cud (3).jpg 1984 MDS Cud (5).jpg 1984 MDS Cud.jpg
     
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Most of these turn out being folded over rim burr's.
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Actually.. Folded over Finned Rim
     
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  5. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Thanks. That does make more sense. :happy:
     
  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    There is one person on these forums who would probably disagree with you. I just hope that most people don't believe him.

    Chris
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    What's Thanksgiving? Without a little CT family controversy,
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I was gonna say that, but, a finned rim, imo would still have the shape of the rim flat and spread across the circumference. A burr would be sticking high off the rim in only a certain area. Therefore able to be folded and either struck or flattened in circulation, looking like a Cud.
     
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  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I hope no one believes him.
     
  10. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    paddyman98
    See you showed a nice certified die crack. Now please show me a nice certified finn.
    Here's one link
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0ahUKEwiFvfL1ls7XAhUKPCYKHeJKBEEQFghjMAg&url=http://www.apmex.com/product/82214/2013-1-2-oz-gold-eagle-finned-rim-mint-error-ms-69-pcgs&usg=AOvVaw3DJamh1idO-3sE7KLw4g08

    Most of the fins Do not come anywhere close, but that's only a personal observation.
    But since the op mention cud in someone's thrown out finned fold-over.
    Here's one way you can find a photo of what someone is calling a cud fin fold-over.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Images of a finned coin&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI3--wxsvXAhUB1SYKHd2ZAVgQsAQIJQ

    Personally I'm not asking anyone to believe me. Unlike some just like this quote.
    I'm giving individuals who Read this quote the opportunity to check out the links and make up their own mind.
    Not have someone make up their mind for them. They can decide For their self after looking at options what they want to believe not what someone else believes.
    "paddyman98, You've gone over to the dark side.
     
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  11. paddyman98

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  12. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

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  13. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

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    usmc60 SEMPER FI

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  15. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    Could someone explain to me what a rim burr is? I apparently have a lot of those folded over rim burrs but don’t really know what that means and wondered if they had any kind of premium
     
  16. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    All I'll say is rim burrs do not add any premium to a coin whatsoever. Hopefully another member will be able to help you further, and provide some good examples.
    https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2911909/
    You may want to check this link out
     
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  17. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    dchjr
    This is only my opinion, if you take a look at your second blowup photo.
    If you take a close look you can see where the die has been broken and gone into the face of the coin. Send it into Mr. Neff make sure you illustrate the second photo.
    At least it confirms to me that that is a cud. Mr. NEFF opinions is more credible than mine. USMC60 PS.I have mentioned that fold-over rim burrs can hide cuds. As far as I'm concerned other members can call it a fin or whatever they wish. If the metal Is on the edge of a coin it is a burr. If you wish to put it into a fin classification that's okay with me.
     
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  18. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Okay, So I found a coin with what, IMO, is a fold over burr. Correct???
    1976 Rim.JPG
     
  19. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    This is my opinion in my opinion only.
    It is a rim burr by definition. Now classification since I really don't have coin in hand. For further examination.

    Classification unsure of, since it was definitely not struck into the rim of the coin,
    it seems to be excess Metal on that one particular side, that was forced up when pushed it to the collar.

    I have read there are many ways this could occur you pick one.
    The only thing I'll say is definitely a rim burr by definition. Classification unknown.

    Certain member.
     
  20. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The cent has a rim cud. The nickel shows post-strike damage.
     
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  21. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    Thanks Mike!
     
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